Keto gives diabetes?

(David) #10

Yes!.. please go eat a lot of bread with Nutella right now! and report back when you did it.

(Hoteski) #11

I can’t believe that these news are giving out advise or news reports that clearly confuse people when there are countless of people on this forum who have been doing keto long term and reversed diabetes.

(German Ketonian) #12

Made my day, your comment did! :joy:

(German Ketonian) #13

As a PhD in political and (media) communication science, let me tell you: get used to it :expressionless:

(David) #14

It is how it works, they get paid to find a way to give keto af bad name. It is all about money.

(Christopher Bonci) #15

I love how they mention that the researchers think it may be a physiologic adaption and yet still the headline is keto = insulin resistance. The humans are omnivores bit was a nice touch too, because you know that’s science.

(Chris) #16

I made a big mistake probably and commented on their facebook post in the midst of my morning caffeine rush. RIP.

(Ben) #17

So they fed mice a “ketogenic diet” for 3 days.
If the scientists can’t be bothered to wait until the mice are in ketosis, I can’t be bothered to read the rest of their crap study.

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1113/JP275173

(less is more, more or less) #18

Huh. I heard this claim elsewhere, and submitted a related study article, here, for feedback on possible process flaws.

Of course its recommendations are nonsense, (TL;DR - eat less meat) but that won’t stop detractors from throwing everything they’ve got. People who don’t know better, and subconsciously wish to keep feeding from the SAD, relay the flawed studies.

#19

Umm. If you used a lot of Nutella, such a meal would be primarily fat calories…proving their point. The worst foods to eat have a lot of fat with a lot of carbs. The normal donuts, cookies, cakes, (Nutella sandwiches), …

But as far as foods with little or no fat and tons of carbs:

  • Cap’n Crunch cereal with skim milk and topped with bananas and lots of sugar?
  • Applesauce?
  • Fruits like pineapples and grapes?
  • Fruit juices?
  • Non-diet sodas?
(Donna ) #20

I thought that was you! lol

Glad you commented. :+1:

(Roy D Rushing Jr ) #21

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that people with T2D often go on a ketogenic diet to address the disease, therefor a disproportionate number of keto people are T2D. The survey might read:

Are you diabetic?

Are you on the ketogenic diet?

Answer yes to both of those and someone might think that establishes a correlation. It’s the “firemen causing fires” fallacy all over again.

(CharleyD) #22

They never make a distinction between pathologic or peripheral IR.

And the “high fat” diet is usually 50% omega 6 seed oils, and near-50% sugars and starches.

(Barbara) #23

Click-Bait: it doesn’t have to be true or make any sense, it just has to entice people into clicking on it. Posters (I refuse to call them journalists!) are often paid by the number of clicks their posts get. Fake News makes some people handsome livings. It is hard to see the truths we know trashed by lies. But the more provocative an item is, the more clicks & shares it gets.

(David) #24

Yes you are right :slight_smile:

(bulkbiker) #25

No people were used in the study at all its just mice fed a really bad diet of vegetable oils…

(David) #26

You can prove anything, if you really want.

(David) #27

I don’t think it is click-bait, I think it is a study bought by some of the big industries that earns LOTS of money on carb based processed food, and the medical industries that earns even more because people get sick eating it.

(Hoteski) #28

What do they hope to achieve by saying this crap… Well done media… Well done in putting even more people on the wrong path to diabetes

(Sarah Bruhn) #29

So I took a look at the study (I normally would not because animal studies are not all that helpful and it’s not reproduced and only covers 150 rodents, so not great to begin with, certainly not newsworthy)
Taking a look at their method I noted the diet they used… macros were fine but when I looked up the provider of the premade diet I noted they do not use animal fats, so what sis they use?
Casein 173.3 +
DL-Methionine 2.6 + Ketogenic
Vegetable Shortening, hydrogenated (Crisco) 586.4 +
Corn Oil 86.2 +
Cellulose 87.97
Vitamin Mix, Teklad (40060) 13.0
Choline Bitartrate 2.5
TBHQ, antioxidant 0.13 +
Mineral Mix, Ca-P Deficient (79055) 20.0 +
Calcium Phosphate, dibasic 19.3 +
Calcium Carbonate 8.2 +
Magnesium Oxide

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/JP275173
https://www.envigo.com/resources/data-sheets/96355.pdf

So to be brief, they fed mice (wrong species) a diet of 90% Chrisco (wrong diet) for 3 days… and then declaired that keto might cause diabetes. ( I am sure there is so much more wrong with this but that, I feel is enough to totally disreguard this)