Keto gardening


#1

Anyone enjoy playing in dirt? (ie.Gardening). While I stay about 95-98% carnivore, there are times when I do enjoy some veg slathered in butter. And, I prefer to grow foods myself. We raise grass fed beef cattle, turkeys and chickens. So, a bit of veg now and then is a nice addition.

Until this year, I had struggled to get more brassicas growing. Most years, the turnips and rutabegas did okay. Radishes always grow well, but, those get old after awhile. I do not like kale, but it grows well here.
This year, I constructed some electroculture apparatuses, and am blown away by what has happened out there. Yesterday, I picked a 7 POUND CABBAGE. Never, and I mean NEVER have I gotten cabbage to grown beyond a few leaves. There are another 5 cabbage plants out there- rapidly increasing in size.
Never got cauliflower to grow- and its growing like mad now. Broccoli- same. There’s about 20 feet of plants that double in size every 48 hours. And brussels sprouts…absolutely crazy.
I’d forgotten that I planted turnips, and a massive section of beautiful purple and white beauties have emerged.

So, the 7 pound cabbage presented some challenges. It would not fit into a pot. I wanted to boil it for the leaves to make cabbage rolls (another first.)Had to cut it in half to fit the pot. So, the unboiled half needs to be used. For the cabbage rolls, I omitted the rice, added eggs and butter and a little onion and tomatoe, chopped parsley and garlic to the ground beef. Turned out quite nice.

Anyone else out there having fun with gardening and keto?


(Doug) #2

Tomatoes and peppers - got a late start and only now eating them. Asparagus, but won’t get any to eat until 2025. :neutral_face:


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #3

I’d love to try gardening… it’s challenging here in London, my garden is mainly concrete, slugs and snails


#4

It’s still half work for me but there are a nice part to my gardening… I definitely wouldn’t enjoy spending much time with it, the other parts of the garden is enough work (it produces a ton of wood to burn, much fruit to pick and pressure can, among others). But I have a tiny veggie patch (half full with flowers).
The soil isn’t good, we do what we can but I am happy with my salads of a few leaves, they are useful and my SO expected less :smiley: My tomatoes are huge though. Well, on the plants we bought, the ones I grew from seeds are less great but they will yield some fruit too just later, less and smaller ones. But they are many and were cheap :smiley:

I am not interested in the vast majority of vegs ever now (quite a big change from my huge veggie lover self in the past, I did vegetarian keto with 40g net carbs and I couldn’t squeeze my minimal amount of vegs into it. it didn’t help that I dislike green leaves…), I get joy from growing my vegs and my SO eats them. I do taste some especially the spring onions, they are nice with meat. But I mostly eat the leaves (onions are one of the exceptions. most green leaves tastes like grass to me or worse but onion leaves have their nice flavor).
I like new interesting vegs so I sowed some yellow beets (they look pathetic now but they are young and they look healthy just tiny). They are allegedly sweeter than normal ones so I obviously can’t eat them, the normal ones are already extremely sugary sweet and that bothers me in savory dishes.

I grow dill and parsley, I eat them occasionally myself. Herbs are another group to me, not normal green leaves as they have actual proper flavor but I don’t like or need most herbs. But dill is nice with sour cream or quark (if I don’t want to sweeten the latter, I should put dill into it), I often put some into my crustless quiche (never made quiche with crust as I learned about this dish after I tried carnivore. and I never bothered with crust when it wasn’t needed anyway). We mostly put the parsley into non-carni soups so I rarely eat it on carni but I tore off a tiny leaf while weeding today and I will eat that with my spicy pork today :slight_smile:

It’s good you wrote about electroculture (I still have no idea what that is), I wanted to look it up before but forgot.

I can’t even imagine a 7 pound cabbage. I clearly couldn’t grow a 7 oz one but I never even try with my current soil. I will be more aggressive with improving the soil this autumn… We have a small garden with zillion trees, huge elevation and little sunlight, the only place for a tiny veggie patch with some sunlight was in the place of the useless pool (it just collected algae and I won’t use chemicals) and that had the worst soil for some reason, not what the other parts had. And we didn’t change it… We slowly improve it, we collect compost and buy black soil and sometimes cow manure… But it’s still not good enough. But the normal soil around here isn’t so great either. My family owned land with the best soil (no one sold it, you had to inherit or marry to the family with it) but it got took away. My Grandma’s garden had great black soil but it dried out quickly unlike the ancient one, Mom said. I don’t know the types of soil to explain it properly. So it was a bit of a pain during the usual 2 month droughts but it was good soil and the plants liked it. we couldn’t grow cucumbers because they had problems with the hot sun and no rain, watering our plants just isn’t as good. Not like we tried more than once.

I had sugar peas this year, mostly for tender pods as I can buy tender peas from the supermarket without all the work that doesn’t worth it. Not like it’s much, peas don’t need much care, apparently. This area has rain regularly except last summer. This summer is nice. Some rare summers are wet, thankfully we have an A/C now as it’s horrible when it’s over 70% relative humidity and using the dehumifier makes the room even much more hot as it already is.

I don’t even try to grow needy plants, it wouldn’t worth it. Or cheap ones like cabbage. Very few are worth it considering my very very tiny veggie patch and little inclination to work with them. I can’t buy special ones (like my special carrots and beets this year or my ā€œblackā€ tomatoes last year) and the tomato at the greengrocery’s is tasteless (and it’s hard to find home-grown ones to buy, maybe this year, we have a farmer’s market now in the village! but it’s still lovely to grab one from the garden when it’s in season…). I have quite a few kinds of tomatoes this year, no black, sadly (it wasn’t black, more like some strange darker desaturated purple but it gave us a few tiny bulbs a week all summer. my current ones are normal so I need to wait until autumn. WHY tomato plants keep their big fruits green up for months IDK. the tiny ones quickly ripen. and I have no tiny tomatoes now. cherry tomato is the name, maybe?) but I have yellow ones. That’s fun. I like to collect colors like this, I have yellow, red, purple (or that died? I definitely need some more) and black raspberries. The yellows and reds made pink at some point. But the light ones aren’t as tasty. Still good! But the darker ones are still better, richer.

But my garden work is mostly about fruits. Even if it’s not picking them. The grapes and blackberries grow like crazy and we need to keep them in check. It’s more painful with the blackberries, it’s plain impossible to avoid the thorns. And they are bad. My garden is full with various thorny plants for some reason. It’s fine, mostly but I must go near the blackberries quite often and they are one of the worst ones. Even my greengage tree (it is extremely tasty when a bit cooked, it’s among my top favs. very meh without, I wouldn’t eat it that way, my SO does sometimes) has big thorns but they are few and not where I easily catch them. But the blackberries have them EVERYWHERE… Okay, not on the fruits but even on the leaves! And I don’t even like the fruit. My SO does so he always persuades me when I just want to cut off the whole bunch sometimes :smiley: It wouldn’t help enough as the neighbour have them too next to ours and they happily grow into our garden…

But it’s quite nice to play with the garden here and there. I just don’t want too much work. Most fruit trees give us zero work except picking the fruit.


#5

Oh man, home grown asparagus are so very good. Especially when it gets older and the spears get thick and juicy. Yum.


(Doug) #6

Agreed. :slightly_smiling_face: Put in a bed in 1998 - dug a deep trench and filled it with good stuff for asparagus and topsoil. Right at the bottom I hit a layer of moist sand; figured the roots would love that.

The plants bore well for 20 years. To snap off a stalk and eat it raw, right away - there was a ā€˜sweet’ taste to it, so good.

Georgia now - southeastern U.S. - nice long growing season but brutal sun, heat, humidity, bugs, and significant mold/fungus/virus/blights, etc. (the heat and humidity thing :smile:).


(Brian) #7

Yup, we grow veggies. We sell some, though, which means we don’t eat 'em all.

We’ve grown a pretty good variety of stuff in the past… cabbage, cauliflower, brussels sprouts, broccoli, turnips, beets, rutabaga, onions, carrots, garlic, asparagus, shell peas, sugar snap peas, green beans, lima beans, field peas, peanuts, potatoes, sweet potatoes, okra, tomatoes, peppers, blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, and strawberries. We have apples, peaches, sour cherries, grapes, and blueberries planted as well.

Just can’t eat all of that stuff. Cutting back next year, not gonna try to do so much. Gettin’ older and one has to do more prioritizing. It’s not that we ā€œcan’tā€ so much as we don’t wanna work that hard anymore.

Mostly, veg is becoming a ā€œsideā€ or even a ā€œcondimentā€ more than a ā€œfood groupā€.


(Eve) #8

We have an allotment which l love working in but since being low carb we have had to give more away as we just aren’t eating it fast enough! Next year we will concentrate on the lower carb veg and the ones which can be stored. I used to eat plateful of veg…


#9

We never could grow enough vegs to be enough for us… But we mostly ate vegetarian meals and I definitely ate a ton…

We almost can do it with fruit but my SO needs fruits we don’t have in proper amounts and we both love tropical ones too… But fruit trees (and even smaller plants) yield a lot! :wink: Even in a small garden! This is a bad year but not for all fruits :wink: We had so much greengage I had really enough of it in the end, I pressure canned so much… But it’s the tastiest fruit in the garden this year (no sour cherries and cherries, we never had this :sob:), it’s amazing when cooked, I don’t even understand, greengage isn’t supposed to be this good… And even I need sweetener for it so I will be able to eat in the future! And it’s sour :smiley: I love sour. Normal greengage is sweet but not ours when cooked. Never cooked the normal one. Our greengage is black, beautiful blood red when cooked, yum. Cooking fruits is odd, it makes perfectly sweet apricots sour, the sweetness just disappears somehow. What does the sugar do…? Almost all fruits stay sweet, some gets sweeter (like quince or unripe pear). But some weirdos get very sour.


#10

The planting/growing season is here typically pretty short. We’re in the USDA’s ā€œplant hardinessā€ 5A zone. For whatever reason, I’ve not been able to get my KETO veggie seeds to really thrive early on so I can transplant. This year was just waaaayyy different. In addition to the electro-culture apparatus, temperatures have been abnormal. Very warm early on, then a chill, then a lower-than-normal temperature period, then back to very warm and humid.

In addition to starting a little earlier this year, I also amended the soil in different areas. The squashes ended up with the chicken-coop waste. The tomatoes, brassicas, cukes, and strawberries ended up with coffee grounds (I had a lot of those!) and somewhere, went all the crushed up egg shells. The land was quite dry for awhile, so, had to water it myself. I was a little concerned for the time we were on vacation- that the garden wasn’t going to get enough rain. But, we got home just in time to experience a light rain. I still watered it the next day though. Some seeds, like carrots and beets didn’t seem to germinate very quickly. (I don’t eat those.) Might have been from lack of water early on. I weeded the areas over and over again. Finally, the sprouts emerged.
We have a pretty bad weed problem here. And, I am adamantly opposed to using RoundUp and other such poisons, so…roto tiller it is. That can be a tough job given the current foot issues, so, I’ve had to just pull them out by hand.
Now, I am obviously not the potatoe eater in the family, but I do grow them for others. However…given the booming population of the potatoe bugs this year…I am about to throw in the towel. I have NEVER seen anything like this. Everyone I’ve talked to regarding gardening has remarked how awful the plant bugs are this year- and NOTHING has been effective in getting rid of them, especially the potatoe bugs.
Pollination has been great. Last year was the first time I planted a small flower garden in the center of the veggie garden. WOW, has that been fantastic! When out pulling weeds, and there’s no traffic noise, the humming of the bees is amazing!!! Its so encouraging to see the little fuzzy bumblers visiting every little blossom!
So, in the future, moving towards an even more KETO focused garden- brassicas will take up a more prominent area, and then the things everyone else likes- tomatoes, onions, herbs, beans, peas, squash, sweet potatoes, yellow potatoes (maybe), and, carrots and beets will have lesser rolls.
The cows, chickens and turkeys are still the main thing for our farm. We have other things that grow here- apples, grapes, blackberries, a few strawberries, - but that is not a focus of mine anymore. I will pick, process and make things for other people- but- the sugar associated with these fruits is not keto, and not on my eating plan at all.


(Richard M) #11

Yes, I garden. Love it. Gets my out of the house for a couple of hours a day. Probably will never stop. Cut back on my tomatoes plants from 30s to 8. Basically cut back everything. The strange part is my taste for them has changed. They don’t taste like I remember. Could be this WOE or Covid. But, I still keep eating them. IN SEASON. I will also be canning. Not a lot but some.


(Robin) #12

Hi Richard, we don’t see your face enough…


#13

I used to can alot, but jars seem to be getting expensive. Hubby bought me a freeze dryer, so that has been my new food preservation option. Slowly whittling down on the beef in the meat freezers…I cook it, cool it, and freeze dry it. We have a large bull going to the butcher in a few weeks, so, gotta make room. =)

I’m thinking that once I blanche some of the brassicas- they too can be freeze dried. That experiment is going to be based entirely upon what the plants produce. I will update, tho.

I do agree tho…many veggies do not have the same taste I used to enjoy so much. I think it is the change in WOE. That was happening to me way before was a thing.


(Richard M) #14

Thanks. I’m on the forum everyday reading and searching.


#15

Oh my. Never. Mom grew potatoes… It’s SO. MUCH. WORK. We never used chemicals and the bugs were a plague (I got them off by hand but they were ZILLIONS)… And the plants needed a lot of water and other work… While it’s cheap and it’s not like we could grow a big portion of our needs anyway…
And we barely had any bugs when Mom was a kid. (I totally say ā€œweā€ when I talk about times way before my birth.) Stupid Colorado potato beetles and their big appetite and ability to multiply like crazy… :frowning:

No, I don’t grow cheap or work heavy plants. But this garden is nothing like that garden anyway…
I like things like sorrels. No work whatsoever, I sowed a few seeds ones and I have them forever, they even go places :smiley: Not like I eat more than a few leaves a year but those are lovely :smiley:
Tomatoes need work but I just can’t buy them, I need to grow them myself if I want tasty tomatoes. And it was so lovely to get fresh spring onions for months… It’s not only cheap and barely any work but I can’t buy them with such tender leaves :wink:

I weed by hand, I don’t have any other options with my little plants everywhere and I have other reasons for barely using a hoe for weeding. Thankfully my veggie patch is tiny. And it always have some weeds but it can’t be helped and it’s fine. I do what I can and what is left is mostly just a minor aesthetic/pride problem.

My fruits almost always easily fit my keto :slight_smile:
They don’t fit my carnivore at all :frowning: But I can change my woe or take breaks if I want. I only feel the need to do ā€œextreme low-carb from non-animal items, most of the timeā€ and fruits easily fit there. Just very, very little and/or occasionally. Not easy with my at least 6 month long fruit season but I can make it work. I already ate very little fruit on keto (as I needed 30-40g net carbs for other food) and probably even on low-carb but it was so long ago, I don’t remember much…
It’s not like I have the option of not eating my fruits. A part of me totally refuses it and it’s desire as I pretty much lost that during my on/off carnivore years. It’s not a real need like on keto either. It’s just my fruit, I MUST taste it all. But I don’t need much or often and they are super delicious, I am not super sensitive so all is well.
I still get the vast majority of my fruit joy from looking at, picking and giving fruit to my SO. But eating the tiny amount is nice too. I wouldn’t even enjoy it too often or in bigger amounts but a tiny bit here and there? Nice. And tastes freedom. Not needing fruits anymore tastes freedom too. I don’t like to be dependent on many food items or groups. I have meat, eggs and some dairy for that. (Meat bothers me, not much as I really need it on my woe but I can’t keep it very low for 1-2 days! It’s a bit inconvenient and I would like to be more flexible. Though I can be if I add much plants… But very low-carb, satiating plant food isn’t so easy to find. It’s basically only gluten. So plants for some apocalyptic situations for me. Or if someone would be willing to pay big money for me to avoid meat for a whole weak or something. I could do it without suffering I am sure. And I still can’t do EF without suffering so it would need some creativity.)

Chickens can help with fruit, I saw them often happily gobbling up various ones :wink: But you obviously know that, I just remembered such cases :slight_smile: I always loved to watch chickens eating, they are quite fun.

It definitely can be your woe. While I am not among the ones who say they taste lots of things very differently now, there were some changes. The biggest by far was my sweetness perception, then my sweetness need… And just before I went carnivore, I suddenly lost interest in most vegs and when I tasted them again, they didn’t taste like I remembered and I definitely didn’t enjoy them like before (they aren’t the same but correlated).
Oh I feel things saltier too now :frowning: Not convenient. It’s good my sodium need is little so I easily get my sodium with any supplements but my ice cream is too salty (as it has lots of yolks. I don’t really want ice cream but it’s my only valid convenient idea when I need a lot of egg whites and I don’t have them in the freezer) and some cheeses are a bit too salty alone. I like to eat cheese alone… And most lovely processed meats are super salty :frowning: I still can make it work still but if it changes more, I don’t know what will happen.

Oh I never ever spent any money on them. We ate enough pickles and whatnots to have a lot, we got some from Alvaro’s Mom too.
My freezer in my fridge is tiny, I only store a very little fruit there and barely any vegs. When I made carnivore(-ish) my default woe, mirelite vegs had to go. My SO took it remarkably well, his diet is somewhat flexible and he can cook all the veggie dishes he wants in the weekends, just keep my freezer alone. And the fridge too, we don’t have space for vegs there. I am the main cook but I can cook forever without vegs, it’s trickier for him but not by much. I don’t cook veggie dishes unless it’s dry legume but I don’t consider very starchy items vegs. He is fine with it. This weekend is special as we don’t have much vegs now. He will survive. He opens a jar of wild mushroom for the chicken dish he makes, we have onions and even frozen carrots! And he always have his raw vegs as he needs them every day. It’s a big difference from his usual ā€œlet’s cook 2-4 kg vegsā€ but I still don’t see a problem.


(Geoffrey) #16

While I’m not keto but carnivore I have a garden. I really enjoyed growing a garden when I retired and had moderate success with it.
This year, about the time that I had things ready to harvest, I became carnivore and couldn’t eat any of it.
I’ve just given everything away and my neighbors are enjoying the ahem, fruits of my labors.
But I must admit, I enjoy eating ZC so much that I may never grow another garden. I just don’t have the passion for it now.
Now there may come a day, when I achieve my goals and go into a maintenance stage, that I will start back with a few items that I miss as long as they don’t bother me physically.
I’m not having cravings or anything but my favorite non meat foods to eat are onions tomatoes, mushrooms and garlic. I would like to introduce them back into my diet some day but like I said, only if they don’t affect me.
We shall see.

I almost forgot, we have a jujube tree that puts out a lot of fruit so I make jujube butter and can it. This will probably continue because it’s just something that everyone, who I give it to expects it every year and it’s not like I can stop the tree from producing.


#17

All goes so well with meat and egg… I am close but lost interest in garlic soon after I tried carnivore. Then I realized it’s just for meat and now I eat garlicky cheese whisps sometimes…
And I became super choosy about mushrooms. I still can enjoy a few bites of wild champignon but most of the others I collect, meh (and there is one I used to like and now it tastes celery to me. never liked celery). More for my SO! :smiley: I still love collecting and identifying mushrooms but eating them, nope. But I can understand all these items and they are even pretty low-carb still (in normal amounts. garlic is very carby, onion is quite so too but they have such a strong flavor - and sweetness - that a little goes a long way quite often).
Tomato and onion are still too useful for some dishes so I eat some but it’s very little and rare at this point. It doesn’t seem to harm me in any way.


If I am here, I write about the news in my garden a bit.

I still don’t have tomatoes but it’s only August. I expect them mostly in October. But the 2 big plants that wasn’t sowed by myself (I bought them when they were already not so very small and they grew so much!) will have them earlier, the fruits are huge and some are already partially pink. Not the usual yellow-orange-red, no, it’s half pale green, half pink… I am really into various colors if it’s about my flowers and fruits (and I still don’t have strawberries with hot pink flowers! I saw them once and I have no idea why I haven’t bought some) so it’s fun to have these, just like my ā€œblackā€ tomatoes last year.

My carrots grew and we tasted a small (not thin but quite short) one. It’s tasty and sweet but normal, they promised something special on the package but it’s good carrot so it’s fine.
We will see if my yellow beets will grow, they are quite tiny at the moment.

I have found a bunch of very young garden cress in my veggie patch. I forgot I sowed some seeds :slight_smile: I let them grow for a little while. While I usually dislike green leaves, very flavorful ones are exceptions. But even that is mostly for my SO. It has a nice spicy flavor but I just don’t need it. May taste one and that’s it, no need for more. (If I want some raw veg with my meat or egg, it’s better crunchy and juicy anyway.) It’s pretty though, always a good point when it comes to my plants.


#18

I used to have a huge garden, like 10 varieties of heirloom tomatoes, broccoli, various squash, peas, beans, and and… even when still eating tons of veggies, I ended up giving most of it way. There isn’t much point to it anymore, and it’s getting cumbersome to tend, so I stopped. I might start growing some tomatoes and zucchini on my deck though - maybe next year. And some cannabis, it’s legal here and it helps tons with my joint pains. Just been out there contemplating this.


#19

I only have normal hemps but they are pretty so I encourage them to spread :slight_smile: I have another, even tinier veggie patch in the valley but almost nothing grows there due to the little sunlight. Hemps and morning glories are fine, raspberries too. This garden isn’t good for vegs but the fruits are different. Even in very bad years like this one, we still have something and plenty of the most sturdy ones.


(Jane) #20

Can you post more information on what you constructed?

I googled it and the first site mentioned 3 different types - low voltage DC current, weak AC electrical field and an electromagnetic field w/o wires or electrodes.