Keto for my dog

(Stefi Stefi) #1

My dog have a cancer. There is keto diet who can help some dogs to heal. I read a lot but i am not sure what to give exactly. So i will write here my plan in hope that someone will explain me more.

Her ideal now is 35-40kg. She eats 2 times a day.
I give this to her 2 times:
400gr ground beef
one omega 3 capsule
3 tablespoon of coconut oil

So if i measure right:
100gr ground beef: 30g fat, 14gr protein, 0 uh *4 > 120g fat, 56 protein, 0uh
1 table spoon of coconut oil 13gr *3 > 39 fat

2 times a day:
318gr fat, 112 gr protein
Can i add more fat or is it too much?
One omega 3 have 1gr fat so i am not sure should i count this.

And maybe i will add one vegetable just of nutrients, like one carrot, but just one because i dont want to have more than 5,6 uh in a meal.

(Bob M) #2

I assume you’ve seen this:

I see you’re adding coconut oil, which is good.

There’s also this:

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This is a study where they fed two types of keto diets to dogs:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9506423/#ctm21047-supitem-0005

They mention 46% fat, but there might be a better outline of what they fed the dogs. They include a bunch of extra material.

Good luck, and let us know anything you find out.

(Megan) #3

Hi Stefi, really sorry to hear you dog has cancer. When my dog Grace was diagnosed with cancer and only given a few months to live I looked into keto to prolong her life. If you haven’t seen this website have a good look at it. It has a macro calculator and a few examples of how to meet those macros. Because it’s a diet designed to target cancer the macros are a bit different from standard keto for dogs macros.

KetoPet | Low carb ketogenic diet dog cancer & health (ketopetsanctuary.com)

All the best and keep us posted!

#4

Sorry to hear about your dog Stefi. She is lucky to have a caring owner like you who will prepare delicious healing meals for her. Wishing her, and yourself, good health and a full recovery. I suppose you could occasionally add a can of fish, like sardines, to change up this regimen? If appetite becomes a problem, my dog loves a very fishy smell- it’s quite appealing to him.

(Stefi Stefi) #5

Thank you everyone for advices. The cheapest option is always chicken. But earlier she have tears in eyes and her coat was not shining and she eat chicken every day. Vets cant find problem.
So at least i want some time to take her off chicken just to be sure that is not problem.
I try calculator but there said that there is not need for coconut oil, but Keto food should have more fat?
And also 100g of broccoli have 7grams of carbs, if i add 144, about 10,11 carbs, are this too much for keto?

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#6

Hello Stefi. That looks like a good diet. Keep a track on her bodyweight as you go along.

For a Labrador sized dog in Australia the cheapest protein option (outside of roadkill kangaroo) is canned mackerel.

I have a healthy Labrador and she eats one meal a day (more ketones that way): ground beef 200g, 1 large egg, frozen raw organic chicken necks (3 per day), 100g Kent or JAP pumpkin, 1 cup beef bone broth. Sometimes she will have biltong, or oily fish like sardines or mackerel.

Agreeing with @MeganNZ (above: https://www.ketopetsanctuary.com/pages/about-us ), I think the work that Dr. Dom D’Agostino did/does with nutritional treatment of canine cancer is a very good place to look for information.

A low insulin stimulating and ketogenic diet is a good foundation for cancer therapy. You can check for urine ketones in a dog using human test strips.

(Bob M) #7

Chicken is a problem for some dogs. Many poodles, for instance, have issues, as do doodles (poodle mixes).

@FrankoBear One meal a day is a great idea. There’s a study (epidemiological) where one meal a day had the best outcomes, in terms of longer life and other markers, for dogs. (We do feed our pup 2 meals a day, only because I eat 2 meals a day, so I thought she should be the same.)

Where do you get the frozen raw chicken necks?

(Stefi Stefi) #8

Earlier she eat 3 times a day, because she is big dog so we decide to split this because its too much in one sitting.
Now because of her health we put on 2 times, morning and evening (about 6at morning and 18h).
Sorry, i dont understand, are my diet good for now or not? My english is not good.

Biggest problem is in my country (Montenegro) i cant find organic healhy meat, so we cook everything.
But, if nothing works my last option is this diet: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2023.1157517/full

Good think is she have normal stool and big apettite. Bad think is i see that she have some little bald patches which is usually sign for fungi. Little, not too much. Which is indicate of bad immunity. I was think about giving little amount of multivitamin.
I am afraid not to give her too much, i give her: ivermectin, one antibiotic that vet gives to me (probably she not know why she give this), omega 3, probiotic, chaga mushroom capsules, 10mg of Q10 and Quercetin.

(Bob M) #9

That study used restricted calories, which you could too. It also used chicken and oils.

I think you could go a bit higher in fat. Can you get any fat cuttings? At one time, I looked into getting fat that the butchers were cutting from beef, and it was able to get them fairly cheap. The problem with beef mince/ground beef is you really don’t know what you’re getting in terms of fat. If you could buy cheap beef, grind/cut it yourself and add fat to it, you could control the ratio better.

But that’s a lot of work.

I think the group thinks you have a good plan right now. But adding a bit more fat might not hurt.

(Megan) #10

Hi again Stefi,

I looked at the calculator on the ketopetsanctuary site and remembered they use a different calculator for cancer treatment. If you read the ebook you will find the following:

“Using the Ketogenic Diet for Disease Management - Cancer or
Seizures
If you are dealing with a cancer or epilepsy diagnosis, we’d still suggest
starting your dog on an Option 1 plan. After 1-2 weeks on an Option
1 plan, and as long as your dog responds well to the diet, we’d then
suggest increasing the percentage of calories from fat with the KetoPet
Calculator (independent of increasing or decreasing calories). Switching
a dog with disease to an Option 2 plan (see below) or 82% of calories
from fat may offer therapeutic benefits, and most dogs are able to get
into ketosis with this macronutrient distribution. For dogs with cancer,
we do not increase calories from fat beyond an Option 2 plan as it
typically encourages adequate ketone production and blood glucose
suppression (as long as calories are controlled appropriately).”

Just under this text in the ebook is a chart with the option 1, 2 and 3 macros. The calculator mentioned in the above text isn’t the same as the one on the website. The website calculator is for standard keto. I think I got the cancer protocol calculator when I contacted them. Click on “Get Help” at the bottom of their website for ways to contact them.

One of the things they suggest is to make and keep your dog quite lean, which can mean significantly reducing how much food you feed her. The vegetable I chose was broccoli because it has some specific cancer fighting properties. The fat I fed was butter and the meat I fed was 80/20 ground beef. You don’t need to feed organic meat, ordinary meat is perfectly fine. Some oily fish or fish oil supplementation is helpful too. They chose chia seeds as the fiber source because they are an antioxidant and can help reduce inflammation.

Feeding once a day is also very helpful, as Frankobear mentioned. If you follow the ketopetsanctuary advice, you may not need to worry the meal will be too big. You are feeding a cancer protocol keto diet, which means the amount of food you feed will be quite a bit less than you normally feed. If she eats very fast use a slow feeder bowl to prevent bloat.

All the best!

#11

They are sourced locally as fresh and then home-frozen.

The study showed that maintenance of lean body mass and reduced accumulation of body fat were associated with attaining a longer than average life span while sex and age at neutering were not associated with longevity.1

(Stefi Stefi) #12

Thank you all! I should switch for another meat or another ground beef that there is in label how many fats, carbs etc are here because i see there that i get somethimes more and less lean meat so its harder for me to make perfect.
I will go to pharmacy and try to find ketone tester strips.
I have organic chia seeds but i think it have a lot of hidrates, are this secure for keto?
She allready eat smaller portion and lose some weight. 800gr-100kg of ground beef is not much for regular Cane Corso in a day. If she dont become better in a couple of days i will switch to live meet, i am just afraid because there is no organic meat here.

Because my english is not perfect, can someone explain to me on this study:


One organic raw chicken leg with bone

Are they speak about this:

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(Stefi Stefi) #13

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#14

So sorry to hear about your dog. I am not sure about keto for your dog. I do know that with some dog breeds it is recommended to eat a raw/carnivore diet. I have had 5 golden retrivers over the last 35 years, and 3 have died from some form of cancer. Ages of death were 12, 13, and 6. All were fed 2x/day. All food was purchased from our vet, who is also our breeder. If, like most doctors, they get very little training in nutrition, I would try and find a dog nutritionist. You might start that search at a veterinary college.

(Bob M) #15

I’d say the leg (first picture) or leg/thigh (second picture) or thigh (not shown) would be good.

(Stefi Stefi) #16

In my country there is no dog nutritionist, this is problems.
I get this and i will try to test her: https://www.rapidlabs.co.uk/product/urinalysis-strips-10-parameter/
So i hope i will get clearer image are i do everything right.
Keto results is most important right now on my opinion.

(Stefi Stefi) #17

I successfully got her first test results. Everyone is welcome to have any opinions.
If I see correctly, there are no ketones in her urine.
Maybe I gave her too little fat; maybe coconut oil is not good for her, I’m not sure.
Her hair doesn’t look good, so something is not working for her.
I will probably switch to olive oil. In my area, we can find good olive oil, so I think it’s the best way to change.
Maybe tomorrow morning I will try giving her a fresh raw chicken leg with bone. Maybe I’ll add some oil, and this can be her breakfast. I thought chicken was not good, but even before, her coat looked better.
Maybe raw food is really the answer, I don’t know.
In two days, I will go to the vet to get new vaccines of ivermectin and ask her about the results, but you are my first line of support because many vets don’t believe that nutrition can help.
I believe I can work a miracle.
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(Megan) #18

Hi Stefi, what kind of cancer was she diagnosed with? And how advanced is the cancer? What treatments has your vet talked about?

You don’t need to figure the diet out on your own. Read the ebook on the ketopetsanctuary website, and contact them if you have further questions. The ebook covers a lot of the questions you are asking.

KetoPet | Low carb ketogenic diet dog cancer & health (ketopetsanctuary.com)

A keto diet for cancer is very high fat and quite low protein and it isn’t as many calories as your dog would normally eat. It is designed to help get your dog quite lean, unless they are already underweight. It is not a diet the dog stays on for many months so you don’t have to worry about your dog not getting much food. Urine ketone strips are not very good for measuring dog ketones as dogs do not produce as many as humans do. You don’t need to measure ketones. Most dogs will be in ketosis on the option 2 plan.

(Stefi Stefi) #19

Vets saids its basically not important, she probably have some tumour under skin which became cancerous and expanded to other parts of body. Vets basically give her antibiotics, which i am not sure should i stop or not because i not see that this not help her.
Vet gives me Ivermectin because i wanted, she not believe it will help.
I read a lot that iv vit c extremely help with cancer. Today i go to another vet to talk with him about my dog and ask can about iv vitamin c, i want to add this to protocol.

I give her first raw meat in her life, if i see she will feel better i will give her only live meat.

(Megan) #20

Okay, so she has secondaries then :cry: Did the vet say how long she has left? Does the vet think diet may help prolong her life? Or is the cancer so advanced now nothing can help?