OK, let me follow your logic here. You’re saying that fat doesn’t increase insulin because foods with calories cause insulin to be raised?
Hunh???
I read your answer three times.
The last part about foods raising insulin is the same thing I said. Are you trying to say, then, that fat has no calories??? (REALLY trying to follow your thinking here.)
I noticed you didn’t cite a scientific reference. Could you please provide one? Thanks!
I thing this might reference what @J_A-M might be referring to -
Dietary fat, on the other hand is metabolized in a completely different manner than both carbs and proteins. Dietary fat broken down into fatty acids by pancreatic enzymes (lipases) and bile salts. They are then absorbed into the lymphatic system as fat droplets (fat is insoluble in water) called chylomicrons. These do not go into the portal system and do not enter the liver. Then empty directly into the bloodstream through the lymphatic circulation and then to the thoracic duct.
This insert comes from this article:
https://idmprogram.com/dietary-fat-hyperinsulinemia/
Thanks Ron. I think maybe @J_A-M and I are using the same word to reference two different things. I’m using “raise insulin” to refer to a release of insulin. Any release of insulin from food.
I’m beginning to think that maybe J_A-M is using “raise insulin” to refer to background insulin levels. Am I correct J_A-M?
If that’s correct then were both right. 
I’m not sure how to explain it better honestly. Ron provided a decent quote. I think we’re in agreement that fat causes an insulin rise because it contains calories. And yes, I’m talking about two reasons for insulin to rise. One in response to calories and one in response to glucose.
I would think that if this statement were true then the need for insulin to be produces by the liver would not be necessary for dietary fat alone.
My eating patterns have changed so much since I started keto that I don’t have the same number of meals. Pre-keto, I would have breakfast, lunch and dinner; each with about 3-400 calories but then there would be the snacking in between and after dinner. I could easily put away 1000 calories per day with the snacks. Most were not healthy; cookies, ice cream, cake, potato chips, etc. My husband is a junk food junkie and brings it in by the truckload and my whole family has a big snacking problem. If it’s in the house I would eat it.
Now, after being on keto for 4 weeks, everything has changed for me. During the first 3 weeks of keto, I was still snacking except it wasn’t on cookies and cakes, it was on keto approved foods like those little fat bombs. I was easily eating 175+ grams of fat each day because I wasn’t being disciplined, I am so used to binging on sweets; I thought it was better to snack on a fat bomb and not raise my insulin levels than go for my old go-to of sugary sweets. Basically, the fat bombs were so good and tasted just as good as chocolate or peanut butter, etc. that I couldn’t eat just one, I would have 5 or 6, or even more. Those cheesecake fat bombs I made were a batch of 30 pieces and I ate them all within 3 days. Snacking is just a trigger for me so I’ve decided to cut it out and try to focus on putting all my nutrition into my 2 meals each day.
I’ve been strict keto (within all my macros and under calories) for 5 days now and I have only eaten fat bombs one day and they were within my allowed macros. My meals now are just lunch and dinner. I have bulletproof coffee for breakfast so I’m not sure if that actually counts as a meal. My meals are much higher in calories than they used to be because I’m basically eating all my calories in 2 meals with no snacks plus the BPC which is about 300 calories. I’m at 1800 calories (limit) per day right now (25NC, 120 Protein, 136 Fat), but I usually only eat about 1700. Since this is all new and there is no perfect way to calculate macros I’m experimenting and will adjust my macros as I go if I don’t see results within a couple of months.
Sounds like you’re working it! You’re making good progress.
Just a few thoughts from an experienced keto-er for anyone who is starting out:
BP coffee counts as a meal.
The best way to do this is without any snacking. Since you’re still at the beginning (I think you said you’re 4 weeks in) and may not be fat adapted yet, if you are getting hungry between meals, then add more fat to each meal until you’re not hungry between meals anymore. Don’t worry at this point about the amount if extra fat. That’s more important in the very beginning than macros. Try to not snack.
Sounds like you’ve been doing your homework, which is great!! Feel free to ask questions as the need arises. You’ve got this!
And nice to meet you!
Oh, forgot to add that if you have access to a dexa scan, that will help you refine macros.
But for right now an estimate is perfectly fine.
There is days when I just don’t manage to eat enough fat and I was thinking about making fat bombs for those days.
But I’ve been looking for some fat bomb recipes and most of them require insane amount of different products or some products that I just can’t find in my place. Like coconut butter?? I did not knew that thing exists. Or some kind of special chocolate only selled in US.
So this recipe looks really nice, I will give it a try. Thanks!
I don’t like messing around in the kitchen any more. I find that one ounce (1/8 of a package) of cream cheese does the trick. If I want to get fancy, I sprinkle on 1 tsp cocoa and some stevia, mush it with a fork, and eat it. Looks terrible, tastes good.
100% agree. The coconut flavor is what I love most about using coconut oil. I stay away from the brands that have no coconut taste. I want the full bodied flavor of coconut in my coffee in the morning. Not some horrid hazelnut or pumpkin spice crapola. 
