Keto and type 1 help


(Chris Kornelsen) #1

So does anyone here know much or have resources about type 1 and keto? My wife wants to start keto and she is type 1. There are no doctors that will endorse it and her diabetic team is heavy heavy carbs. So they will “help” by just needing to by law but they wont really give us resources or info.

Mostly we need to know exactly how to change her I sulin requirements. Like how much insulin to do as the background insulin (I believe is basal not totally sure) or how much insulin to measure with protein.
How to avoid lows especially at night so she doesbt need to drink juice or have sugar
If your numbers are low and you drink juice or have sugar enough yo just raise them to normal does that effect ketosis? Or does your body immediately push that sugar to your cells and it avoids the liver?
Is ketoacidosis a serious concern with type 1 and ketosis?


Type 1 keto and insulin resistance
(Lazy, Dirty Keto 😝) #2

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(bulkbiker) #3

I would suggest your wife joins the facebook group Type1grit who advocate a very low carb diet for T1’s and follow the Dr Bernstein principles.


(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #4

I’m a keto T1D, diabetic since 1986, keto since 2015, and on an insulin pump since 2015 too.

There’s no magic formula - like reduce basal insulin by x and bolus insulin by y, because obviously everyone’s different, but I have made dramatic changes to my diet and diabetes management since starting eating keto.

I test, test, test ALL the time - mostly using a Freestyle Libre flash monitor, but also fingerpricks. That’s my non-negotiable - if I’m not testing, I wouldn’t have a clue. I need that data to work with!

I am on less insulin than I was before I went keto, but it’s been a gradual process as a result of lots of trial and error. It’s worth it, though.

If I’m taking small amounts of insulin (thanks to being keto) than the outcomes of any errors are by their very nature smaller. That makes me feel much safer than when I’d been used to taking a tonne of insulin when I’d go out for pizza, garlic bread and ice cream, go massively high afterwards and then hypo a couple of hours after that! An absolute rollercoaster!

I eat two scrambled eggs with butter for breakfast, and despite their negligible carbohydrate value, I nevertheless need 1.4u of rapid-acting insulin to keep my blood sugar from spiking.

Lunch is low-carb soup, or a chaffle (waffle made with cheese and egg) filled with ham or cheese or egg or creamy mushrooms or homemade pate or tuna mayo or whatever - I generally take one to two units with a lunch like these - and for my evening meal, my carb count varies quite a lot (homemade bolognese racks up quite a count thanks to the tomatoes and peppers, and fatty puddings tend to spike a bit too) and I’ll have anything between 2.5u (salmon and broccoli), 3.5u (when I’m having something like steak, cream cheese sauce and broccoli) and 4.5u (cauli bolognese), depending on what I’m having.

Protein and fat in the absence of carbs do still create a demand for insulin in my case. But the only way to find out to what extent is to keep testing.

As soon as I found I was no longer chasing excess carbs with insulin, and excess insulin with carbs, I discovered a much better relationship with food and I’m having far fewer hypos. And I’m very happy with my HbA1c of 37mmol/mol.

I found out about LCHF and subsequently this forum thanks to @MarkGossage when I was an active member of diabetes.co.uk/forum - take a look and see how other LCHF and keto T1s tackle it.

My diabetes specialist nurse knows that I avoid carbs, and she is very polite about it without going into it. The comment I tend to get is ‘we wouldn’t recommend it’.

But it’s my life, my health and my T1. And I’m absolutely thriving.


(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #5

@Chris_Kornelsen in the case of treating hypos, treating the hypo is the priority, not the keto status. Yes, ketosis would be compromised (for the short term), but the hypo does need treating. My hypos are mild and in fact I very rarely need to take glucose if I’m hypo - I simply turn my pump down for a bit (that’s what I do - YMMV).

With less carbohydrate on a keto diet, and therefore less insulin, hypos would I hope become less frequent and less severe.

Ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis are not the same, and in my opinion the former does not make the latter more likely. If your wife has persistent high blood glucose, keep testing both blood glucose and ketones, and if blood glucose AND ketones are excessively high at the same time, that is potentially a DKA scenario requiring urgent medical treatment.

The risk of DKA is because she’s T1 diabetic - simply, all of us T1s need to be vigilant of that - it’s nothing to do with being keto.