Keto and HIGH triglycerides and HIGH cholesterol

(Rich) #21

Yes glucagon will offset and there is a small amount of insulin resistance. However, with this thought process I should be able to eat 28oz of steak every meal and never gain a pound and see an increase in body fat percentage? This should help me loose the weight? No one compares protein to cake but what we care about is ketone production and when you eat more meat than your body needs it will run off of the protein therefore not produce ketones

(Marc Gagnon) #22

Excellent I’ll definitely take a read! Thanks

(Adam Kirby) #23

I dunno, ask the people who go carnivore and get superior results to even keto? They don’t seem to have trouble from increased protein consumption.

This is another misnomer in the keto sphere, that ketones=burning body fat.

Basically, unless you require ketosis for therapeutic neurological effects, your level of ketosis pretty much doesn’t matter. What matters is that you’re burning fatty acids as your primary fuel source, and that isn’t something that can be measured with a meter.

(Rich) #24

No where did I imply that ketones equal fat burning. I said on keto you care about ketone production. Ketone production happens when you break down fatty acids. When glucose is absent from the body you then use ketones for energy from those fatty acids, correct? So then I need to make sure the primary source of my body’s fuel are ketones. Everyone’s levels are ketones vary for what their body needs and is effective for them

(Adam Kirby) #25

You make ketones from free fatty acids, but you can use FFAs by themselves in most tissues except for the brain. Please read the article I linked. It explains how an increase in protein doesn’t derail fat-burning at all. Basically, more protein = more completions of the Krebs cycle. Whereas ketogensis represents an incomplete Krebs cycle.

I mean I sorta can’t blame people getting hung up on ketones, it’s implied by the name “ketogenic diet”. :grin: But this is why I personally like the term low carb better, it doesn’t make people obsess on ketone values.

(Adam Kirby) #26

Seriously this article should be required reading for everyone who starts low carb, so they understand the difference between ketosis and lipolysis. I had no clue about the distinction for a long time. Hint: most people think they want the former but are really after the latter.

P.S. sorry @Ketosiskillsfat for derailing the thread

(Marc Gagnon) #27

No prob I like the discussion it’s really giving me some ideas. At times I wonder if there’s something holding me back from completely getting into the Kreb cycle and continuing it based on my energy levels and yes my high keystone levels and low glucose levels.

(Consensus is Politics) #28

I’m sorry, but even though I respect where that article is coming from, I think it is written with misdirection.

The article assumes people like me are saying that protein causes high blood glucose. Which in a way is what I have said. But the reality of it is that excess protein causes gluconeogenesis. The protein itself might not be converted into sugar in the fly, but it is causing BG to spike, albeit indirectly. I have done this multiple times in the past few months. Eating nothing but protein, and getting a 50 point increase in BG less than 2 hours later.

Sure, the protein may not in and of itself turning to sugar the way carbs do, but in the end, higher BG is the result. So does it really matter the why? Sure, I’d like a better explanation of it too. Perhaps there is a health hack in the waiting with knowing what’s going on there. But until then, I need to be vigilant and not eat much more protein than I actually need to. What’s the harm in eating just enough, as opposed to eating too much?

By the way, I don’t recall the article mentioning the fact that protein causes an insulin response. A moderate one for sure. But nowhere near as low as fat does.

(Dave) #29

@Ketosiskillsfat – per @akirby83’s suggestion, I strongly recommend you don’t react too strongly to your numbers until you have a solid test to confirm they represent your current status. Note that not only does the added fat matter, but so too does the coffee (studies show it can activate more lipolysis).

If you’ve followed even 1% of my research, you know that I can show an extraordinary amount of variability with just a few changes in the diet inside the days and hours before the test.

My recommendation:

  • Eat at your median levels for three day before the test.
  • Water only fast for 12-14 hours for the last meal of the night before to the blood test of the morning after.
  • As best as you can, try to stay relaxed and not stress about it – this too can impact lipids.

From there, you’ll have a much more accurate baseline to work from. :slight_smile:

(Marc Gagnon) #31

Hi Dave. Ive decided to continue my Ketogenic protocol very strict no refeeds and consuming 80%fat, 15%protein, and 5%carbs (im in my third year) ive followed you for over a year now and have just caught up with your most recent videos. Well im 10 days from my bloodwork and going into it this time as quitting my daily bullet proof coffee and eating my normal ratios and fasting 12 hrs before blood draw. I will let you know the outcome. As you know I shared my last numbers that were all wonky. I have changed two variables going into it and thats the coffee and the fast leading up to the test. Thanks for all of the insight I do appreciate it. Regards
Marc

(Sonny) #32

Hey @Ketosiskillsfat, just wanted to see how your latest results are. I just started Keto about a month ago and I used to be almost vegan. My TG shot up quite a bit:

Results - Almost vegan - Keto (1month)
Total Cholesterol - 135 - 157
LDL - 74 - 66
HDL - 45 - 50
Triglycerides - 79 - 203

I am not concerned about the total cholesterol or LDL but the high TG have me confused.

Thanks,
Sonny

(Marc Gagnon) #33

Hi there Sonnysach[quote=“Sonnysach, post:32, topic:34616, full:true”] My latest results are still really high. Ive been on a very strict Ketogenic protocol for over two years now and no matter how ive fasted or “prepared” for my blood test I havent been able to see reasonable numbers. So the mystery still resides after 2 years of the lifestyle.
LDL-409
HDL-43
TRIGS-195
C-REACTIVE PROTEIN- .45
Im 5’5”
My weight is 135 (ideal)
Hey @Ketosiskillsfat, just wanted to see how your latest results are. I just started Keto about a month ago and I used to be almost vegan. My TG shot up quite a bit:

Results - Almost vegan - Keto (1month)
Total Cholesterol - 135 - 157
LDL - 74 - 66
HDL - 45 - 50
Triglycerides - 79 - 203

I am not concerned about the total cholesterol or LDL but the high TG have me confused.

Thanks,
Sonny
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#34

Do you know if you are an ApoE4 carrier? MTHFR? have you ever checked homocysteine?

(Marc Gagnon) #35

Those are my latest results from last month that I provided thanjs

(Marc Gagnon) #36

Keto_Tom no i havent explored any of those options. I will have to research. Ive gone zero carb as of 6 weeks ago and seeing how this affects things. I brought my energy intake down some as well. After two and a half years on a very strict protocol and seeing my lipid results skyrocket time and time again its been a bit stressful to not find any answers yet. Thanks for the recommendations I will research.

(Bunny) #37

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(Marc Gagnon) #38

I have been 0 carb for almost two months now and have been less than 15 carbs total for at least 3 years now and have been getting my energy from fat. I said goodbye to fructose and sugars a long time ago. Aint that to be short and sweet. Thanks though.

(Marc Gagnon) #39

Atomicspacebunny i also eat between 200-300 grams of fat per day where i feel my best. They are all derived from animal sources

(Brooke Walsh Guadamuz) #40

At the hospital the Er doctor said the 1500 triglyceride level was from the high fat content that is eaten and described how dangerous it is for YOUR pancreas. THERE IS A TRIGLYCERIDE MEDICINE IT IS LOW COST. The KETO diet has appeared to have had the same benefits on our side as well! And that beer and liquer are still alcohol so they go hand and hand, so even tho a couple drinks get you in the er and put you over the top. The actual ongoing cause IS the high fat content in your blood cells that keep building up that get you that bad bad stomach pain.

(Marc Gagnon) #41

? Huh???