So how would one strive to keep a GKI of 1 or less then? I want my GKI to be that low as often as possible.
See this conversation:
http://ketocancermom.com/2019/01/23/conversation-with-ketogenic-cancer-diet/
His GKI is under 1 most of the day! That is what I’d like, for better disease management.
His was a chart for over the course of 1 day, yours isn’t, so they can’t really be compared.
Without long fasting, how can it be done?
His ketones are far from constant. His GKI also moves all over. He keeps it under 1 by keeping his glucose low.
I measure 3-6 times every day… not 20, but it really doesn’t matter.
If you want under 1… fast. IF, OMAD, EF.
If you eat, you’re not under 1. The only exception is if you only consume fat and low amounts of that… no protein or carbs.
I would guess looking at the facebook page that as he is treating cancer he’s probably taking exogneous ketones to keep those levels up.
There’s no real need to keep your GKI over 1 if you are relatively healthy and as others have said its bloody hard. I got there for one set of readings on my last 3 day fast.
OK, so they aren’t constant, but his GKI is regularly under 1. I’m trying to find the best way to do that.
Unless I get a response my question of “how to keep ketones high through the day”, I’m planning on deleting this topic.
You can fast, exercise, drink coffee and ACV … and maybe take MCT oil.
That’s how I do it. If you want to eat real food & have a GKI below 1, you’re going to have to practice extreme endurance sports and start taking ice baths to increase thermogenesis off the charts.
I know of no other way to stimulate maximum glucagon secretion than to eliminate carbohydrate intake. In the absence of dietary carbohydrate, there will be no more than the usual tablespoon of glucose in the blood, which is the level gluconeogenesis aims at.
A lack of carbohydrate in the diet will also drive your insulin/glucagon ratio as low as possible, and the glucagon will stimulate ketogenesis. The minimal insulin secretion stimulated by your protein intake will keep gluconeogenesis and ketogenesis under control without inhibiting them, so you won’t need to fear hyperglycemia or ketoacidosis.
You may find that the only way to drive your GKI so low is tosupplement your liver’s production of ketone bodies with an exogenous ketone supplement. It would also be wise to refrain from activities that would consume the ketones, so that they can remain circulating in your bloodstream and provide a high reading.
If you are trying to control cancer with a ketogenic diet, be very sure that the type of cancer you have is not one of the ones that thrive on ketone bodies. Not all cancers respond to the Warburg Effect, apparently.
I’m very sure that keto would be beneficial, and my doctor hasn’t objected to it. The little bit of research I’ve done says ketogenic diet should be beneficial, but it’s there any way to know for certain (out of curiosity)?
Maybe you would like to tell us why you are aiming for a GKI of 1 so we can see where we can help?
I’ve posted in other areas of the forum about that, so I didn’t feel a need to post here.
Since ketone levels depend on how we are using them and on how we are eating, it makes sense to expect some fluctuations. Without knowing your goal or your intent (and I don’t have time to search the forums for your old posts), it is impossible to give any more advice than in my previous post. In general, I would say that it is pointless to chase ketones just for the sake of a high number.
Well. High ketones achieved naturally are good. They just don’t need to be constant. Fluctuation is part of the body’s natural cycle and is absolutely intentional and necessary.
Our heart rate changes all day long because it needs to given our demands on our bodies. A constant heart rate would be catastrophic. Same with all physiological variables. We have wonderful adaptive bodies.
Even fasting for 6 days now, my ketones meander between 2 and 5 throughout the day. My target though is to keep my glucose in the 50-70 corridor. That generally keeps my GKI under 3 and that’s good enough to be healthy and energetic as well as meaningfully autophagic.
The reason I’m trying to keep my GKI around (or under) 1 is because I have Stage 4 Breast Cancer.
I’m also taking medication to help treat it (its hormone-sensitive). Recently I’ve been focusing on trying to have relatively high fat in my diet, while keeping protein moderate, and carbs low (under 20g). I’m going to keep doing some more experimentation and I’ll post back with my results. So far, it looks like keeping my fat up is really what is helpful.
sorry to hear that and wishing you the best.
keeping carbs low and fats high are the key ingredients. Once you’re fat adapted, consider fasting.
If you haven’t tried adding MCT, I would recommend it too.
I am fat adapted. I started keto back in June, when I was diagnosed. I was doing lazy keto up until December, when I started tracking. I am already using MCT oil and some flaxseed oil, and apple cider vinegar. I’m also eating OMAD, and trying to not lose weight.
Not being snarky but why don’t you contact the person whose GKI you are trying to emulate and see how they are doing it? Facebook and twitter details are on the graph you posted and that would to me seem to be an invite to get in touch.
I have talked to him. But I know that everyone reacts differently, and I’m not into HITT exercises (which he does (and he wakes at like 4am … which I’m not going to do). I also don’t want to eat the exact same thing (or a small variation of it) every day. I cook for my family.
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