Just tried Erythritol for the first time

#22

I got it from Amazon. I think I’ll just take this one on the chin. It makes me feel sick and I don’t like the taste so I think I’ll go back to the Tesco own brand sweetner I’ve always used. Very similar to Splenda but With less after taste (IMO anyway).

(Brian) #23

Something that came to mind…

The idea that sweet taste will give a shot of insulin, I don’t disagree. But I also think we need to put that in context.

Are you sipping on your sweetened coffee all day long? Or is it a once and done drink? Are you having coffee alone with the object being fooling your body into as little insulin reaction as possible and still feel like you cheated the “hunger monster”? Or is your sweetened coffee with a full meal?

Coffee with a little sweetener alone, as a meal replacement, is a different context than sweetened coffee with a full meal that contains any carbs / sugars at all, and mostly, mine do. Perhaps if I were intentionally zero carb my perspective would be a little different. Uugh… More context!..

#24

For whatever reason, sucralose by far took the cake (pun intended lol) when it came to insulin reactions for me. One 20 oz bottle of Diet Pepsi and I was passing out within 15-20 minutes. Doc at the time said sucralose causes major insulin reactions because your body over compensates for the “fake” sweetness. I never had this reaction to aspartame (but avoid it for other reasons now).

(Carl Keller) #25

I think that the aftertaste helps keep me in line. I use stevia in my coffee and a small amount chases the bitterness but too much gives it the funny aftertaste. I fear if I found the perfect sweetner that tastes just like sugar, I would want to use it all the time.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #26

Yeah, I kind of hate sweet coffee unless it’s really ridiculously stupid sweet like a mocha. I’ve probably gone through about three pounds of Erythritol and Allulose in 9 months, about half of that went into keto treats around Christmas and the rest is here and there cooking. I don’t drink sweet stuff. :cowboy_hat_face:

#27

I just read this:
The bad news: some of those fillers have carbs, so some of the brand-name products that use artificial sweeteners have carbs from the fillers. For example, Splenda (which gets sweetness from the artificial sweetener sucralose) and Equal (aspartame) both have about 0.9 carbs per 1 packet, and sweet’n’low has about 1 gram. (Data from the USDA nutrition database)

A packet or two of these sweeteners isn’t going to break anyone’s carb budget, but be careful when you start getting into the keto baking – if you’re using a cup of granulated Splenda, that’s a lot of carbs! In general, liquid sweeteners have fewer fillers (although that makes them less convenient for baking) – do your research, know your own carb tolerance.

So maybe I should use Splenda (tablets) in my coffee and try the Erythritol for baking? I am drinking a cup of coffee right now with Erythritol and not feeling nauseous yet. One difference is it is black, no cream/almond milk? Also I’ve just checked the brand of sweetner I have been using and it contains maltodextrin and the tablets contain maltodextrin and milk! OOPS!

I have Hermesetas tablets also, the ingredients are listed as:
Sweeteners (Sodium Saccharin, Sucralose), Carrier: L-Leucine -are these ok?

#28

my solution is just to not eat anything “sweetened” whatsoever. Once in a while I might have a small hand full (2T) of blueberries or strawberries which I grow in my own gardens. With a sprinkle of cinnamon. But no sugar, no stevia, just plain or maybe with sour cream or cottage cheese.

(Jane Srygley) #29

Hi! I asked about this in another thread that was transferred to “Show Me the Science” and it doesn’t look like there is definitive evidence of this. Where did you get your information, if I may ask? Why do you believe this to be true? I’m genuinely interested because if anything sweet raises insulin, it will really help me minimize/eliminate sweet foods. Thanks!

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #30

Erythritol ? What were you trying to treat with that, anyway ? :slight_smile: lol

To heck with that stuff. And our 4 dogs totally agree :slight_smile: Splenda FTW ! :slight_smile:

Sadie Mae says, Erythritol sucks !

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Oh and BTW, all of our dogs are on a Keto diet too :slight_smile:

#31

If it caused you any physical issues watch out for Quest products and Lily’s chocolate items, they both contain it as the alternative sweetener :confused: I myself had an allergic reaction to the stuff, so never again!

(Central Florida Bob ) #32

Apparently, it’s a reaction in dogs that humans don’t get:

In dogs, xylitol stimulates the pancreas to release insulin. Insulin is a hormone that helps the body’s cells take glucose (sugar) from the bloodstream and use it for cellular functioning. When cells take too much sugar from the blood (in response to increased insulin levels), the pet’s blood sugar can drop dangerously low—a condition known as hypoglycemia . This effect is not seen in people who eat xylitol. Xylitol can also cause liver damage in dogs. In severe cases, liver cells can die in large numbers, and the pet may develop liver failure.

From:

According to the Merck Veterinary Manual:

Dogs are the only species in which xylitol toxicosis has been reported.

Of course, we’re all familiar with insulin releases - that’s half the topic of this thread. For reasons unknown, it triggers an insulin release in dogs far worse than what it does in humans. The hepatotoxicity is something I’ve never heard of in humans.

I have cats not dogs and researched if it was toxic for them. They apparently don’t have a reaction, but I’ve still never used xylitol.

(Central Florida Bob ) #33

On the graphic about monk fruit you posted, it says,

“Studies show that monk fruit helps bring down glucose levels in the body and also has the ability to secrete insulin in the body more efficiently”

What does “secrete insulin in the body more efficiently” mean? On one hand, if it makes us secrete more insulin (??) that would certainly reduce glucose levels. On the other hand, if it’s supposed to be good for diabetics, that doesn’t seem like a good thing.

I think that most of us are trying to not secrete more insulin, though.

(Deborah ) #34

Sadie Mae is beautiful!

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #35

Thank you :slightly_smiling_face: Yes she is. And of my 5 GF"s, she probably gives me the least trouble :slightly_smiling_face: lol

(Full Metal KETO AF) #36

It causes an extreme hypoglycemia reaction in dogs but not humans. :nerd_face:

(Bunny) #37

Like I said; Why is a canary a coal miners best friend?

For me any and all artificial sweeteners/sugars (insecticides) are just bad news any way you slap it!

I have no idea what it’s really doing to the human body long-term (no such research exists)!

And again If it can do that to a dog, I can just imagine other things it can do to humans!

If you like being a guinea pig with laboratory chemicals good luck with that!

Btw: …it stores itself adipose tissue long-term (if macrophage infiltration means anything to you?) Once you damage the fat cell with those artificial sweeteners; it makes it way more difficult to lose weight (body fat). In other words those ketone numbers your seeing are dietary fat not your own body fat being burned for fuel!

(Full Metal KETO AF) #38

This is an amino acid so no problem. I use these

Erythritol Sweetener Natural Sugar Substitute 3lb - Granulated Low Calorie Sweetener High Digestive Tolerance Suitable for Diabetes Keto and Paleo - Baking Substitute Non GMO https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079X4G97G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_DtWcDbCZ1TAKN

Hoosier Hill Farm ALLULOSE Low Calorie, Zero Net Carb Keto Sugar, Natural Sugar Alternative, Made in the USA, Granular Powder, 2 lb bag, batch tested gluten free https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HJGHLXT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_LuWcDb6W9GCS7

Erythritol is cheaper, so I use that when I can get away with it. Allulose is superior for certain things, it acts more like real sugar for syrups, jams and candy or caramelizing. It dissolves easily in high concentrations without recrystalizing. They taste about the same to me. 70% as sweet as sugar. I mostly use them in small quantities occasionally for cooking. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Katie) #39

I have read that many people have this issue.

According to what I have read, Erythritol doesn’t not effect insulin because you r odd cannot absorb it…which means it passes directly into the intestines, Some people have irritation from this.

I use it only about 1/2 tsp in my coffee each day…and some occasional recipes, so my consumption isn’t enough to know if I would have a bad reaction too. Maybe try using it only very sparingly.

#40

Just an observation-I have used swerve since starting keto over a year ago. I even make my own-but inulin, erythritol, etc. Never had a gut issue with it. Recently I started supplementing with fiber-flax, psyllium husk to work on my cholesterol since I have an EPO e4 issue. Suddenly, erythritol makes me sick as a dog. horrible cramps and things. I am guessing the fiber supplementation changed my gut biome so that I dont tolerate it any more.

(Jill Carpenter aka space coast spinster) #41

They have xylitol toothpaste, and I use a waterpick thing that uses xylitol tablets.
If I’m going to get a mystery sugar slip I don’t want to waste it on simple hygiene😁