Is Strict Healthy Keto been shown to be healthy longterm

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(M Fitz) #1

Any new research on longterm Keto lifestyle? Recently viewed someone on YT only children or cancer patients should consider longterm Ketosis? Crazy how many experts are out there.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

There are starting to be a few studies out there. Virta Health is working on one, but it’s not ready yet. So far, most of what we have are anecdotes of people who have been keto for many years with no ill effects. I’m coming up on two years, and I’m healthier than I’ve been in decades.

(M Fitz) #3

Thank you Paul! Ive been doing strict keto and really putting the work into do it correctly which I firmly believe has changed my life in such a positive way (including the integration of IF).

(bulkbiker) #4

Crazy how many wannabe experts…

#5

While there are no long term research studies. I do draw comfort in various other ways.

The “keto” diet is exactly the Atkins20 Induction Phase. Same 20g carbs, same everything. Millions of people bought the Atkins books and went on the diet over a period of decades. Apart from “Atkins flu” as it was known then and sodium deficiency there were no reports of long term issues.

Dr Eric Westman was the first external researcher / clinician to exam the Atkins diet and the medical records. He must’ve liked what he found because he’s been on keto ever since. Similarly Phinney and Volek followed, also on keto. They were already doing research along those lines but the worlds of Atkins and Phinney intertwinned and combined. “Nutritional Ketosis” (coined by Phinney) + Atkins = “keto” so it isn’t a new buzz word which popped up in the last few years but the diet is not new.

Conversely - wherever the modern “global industrial diet” (smooth talk for “American food”) goes metabolic syndrome follows. Massive increase in diabetes, cardiovascular disease, dementia, obesity, … hundreds of millions of people. Isn’t that one big mother of all trials - with the real world as the guinea pig?

People in Asia eat rice, no problems, they start doing trade deals, “make our electronics” and buy our American food (wheat, corn, rice …) Game over. Hello “western disease”. As night follows day.

For me keto is trying to go back to eating 1950s style, where hundreds of millions of people ate: Meat and veg. Bacon and eggs with bacon before that was slowly replaced by processed food, high fructose corn syrup, “wheat”, “fruit” all year round,

Oops, bit of a rant. Well there you go, there’s my expert opinion : - )

(Doug) #6

:clap: Alex. :sunglasses:

#7

Jason Fung has a Longevity book coming out; I am hoping there will be more information in it.
Longo’s Longevity book contradicts a lot of the saturated fat info floating in keto forums and confuses the heck out of me cause I don’t have time at present to read the original studies he references.
I have queries re the long term saturated fat (other than coconut oil) because the research info is so conflicted.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #8

The fear of saturated fat is based on faulty, if not actually fraudulent research. The important initial study, Ancel Keys’s Seven Country study, ignored the additional 15 countries where he took measurements, because they didn’t support his hypothesis. This is considered fraudulent science by many people. And all the major government-funded studies done afterward to support the diet-heart hypothesis (as Keys called it) not only failed to do so, but in some cases have disproved it. For example, it has been shown in several studies that saturated fat in the diet actually causes HDL cholesterol to increase, which is a good thing.

#9

Thanks Paul.
I know the research is in on coconut oil definitely but I thought there was still some credible research results/confusion about other saturated fat…as all fats are not equal etc etc. :blush:
I think some are more recent and better than just Ancel Keys propaganda but am time poor and will be for the next year or so and am a bit frustrated can’t actually sit down and read the research myself right now.
I am happy to respect any decently conducted research and have no horse in this race re: a committment to any particular view. Problem is just too much.
Hanging my hopes on Fung’s research and also Naomi Whittel has a book due out next year and with an epileptic child she has put her focus quite forensically on information but I don’t know the conclusions she has reached re saturated other than coconut.

I know I wouldn’t be eating any oil or fat that is processed using hexane… and a lot of MCT oil is.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #10

I grew up in the 60s and dinner was always meat, a green and yellow vegetable, a salad, and once or twice a week pasta, rice or potatoes. Had whole grain bread on my sandwiches at school. No soda, limited ice cream. Three meals a day. I agree, totally different from what is going on now.

(Carl Keller) #11

In this day and age, most experts are people who know everything about something and nothing about everything else.

(Susan) #12

I have memories of juice glasses in the 60’s being 4 oz with breakfast. Not the 12 oz tumblers several times a day some people have thinking juice is healthy.

(Robert C) #13

Ben Greenfield mentions some things to think about in terms keto.
He thinks people should get tested (23andme) to check for example to see whether APOE gene e4 variant. He said that, if you do, you might want to go keto with mostly fats that are liquid at room temperature.
Also, should check for familial hypercholesterolemia.
As well, if you have gall bladder or liver issues (not genetic – just not functioning well) then you might have trouble dealing with a lot of dietary fat (if you have trouble producing enough bile).
Also, if your plan is Ribeye every night, you might want to check your iron status (there are workarounds but, you would want to focus on getting down from “iron overload” levels).

(Running from stupidity) #14

I know very little about very many things - what does that make me?

(Carl Keller) #15

Honest.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #16

A right-wing news broadcaster?

(Running from stupidity) #17

“Knowing very little” means you still know SOMETHING, so no.

(Todd Allen) #18

I recently did the 23andme genetic ancestry test and then downloaded my data and fed it to several analysis tools with a focus on SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms) related to health and especially metabolism. Turns out there are several identified SNPs which might impact the healthfulness of a keto diet although probably a small fraction of the number which create added risk of diabetes and obesity on a high carb diet. I discovered I have several risk factors for diabetes but fairly good genes for fat metabolism. But some may be genetically prone to issues like elevated LDL with high fat or high saturated fat intake. We learned my wife is at greatly increased risk for gout especially if purine intake is high and ketone levels are high - she still does moderate keto and some fasting but with more care to not go extreme and to monitor her uric acid more closely. A great tool for exploring what is known about SNPs is SNPedia.

#19

Was the traditional Inuit diet keto?
Or Masai?
We haven’t got any long term examples otherwise have we?

(bulkbiker) #20

Well that’s 2 more than we have for veganism but that’s touted as healthy by all the advocates with little to no science behind it!