Is it no wonder that people are confused! Coconut oil?


(Ron) #1

It is overwhelming the amount of data that is floating out there. You can literally find something to fit whatever opinion you choose to believe. It’s a sad future ahead for the human race with this direction of guidance.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/06/20/coconut-oil-out-these-oils-you-should-using-experts-say/4123

A personal question - Are there any other oils like coconut oil. where medium-chain triglycerides bypass the system and go directly to the liver?


(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #2

MCT oil (which is coconut oil mostly) and palm oil. And a portion of butter. Small fraction.

Adding:
They cleverly lump sat fat and transconfigured fats together. Trans fats are known killers. They made bad cell walls. Saturated fat has been wrongly implicated in obesity and CVD for 60 years. Different sat fats do different things to your cholesterol. Many make your HDL go up.

But let’s also look at the raise LDL claim. LDL is not inherently bad. It can be, if it’s the small nasty B.B. like stuff, but it’s a natural energy transporter in your body, and can come in a light, fluffy, cotton candy like configuration that is not atherogenic, and is likely protective.

The doc cited is speaking for Mayo and the AHA. The AHA can’t leave the lipid hypothesis because they’ve married it and promoted it for the last 50 years. They can’t get off the carbs good, fats bad bandwagon on a dime, because they are sponsored by Big Carb.

I wouldn’t worry about a press release, as covered in USA Today.

That said, if you have a lipid test coming up, I’d cut back on (or eliminate) the coconut oil, as @DaveKeto notes it’s a confounder.


(Ron) #3

I didn’t buy off on the article at all and understand the science that disputes what they are saying (or choosing not to say). It is just sad that this is the kind of availability that people have to weed through (that the majority won’t) while trying to make a conclusion.

Thanks for the answer on oils, I was wondering if the touted avocado oil in the article worked the same as coconut oil in the system as I didn’t know.:slightly_frowning_face:


#4

The link appears to be truncated above, the full link is:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/06/20/coconut-oil-out-these-oils-you-should-using-experts-say/412393001/

Trust Me I’m a doctor, did a small scale, randomised uncontrolled trial together with Cambridge uni. So not great quality, but better than speculating or observational studies. The results were that LDL did not change, but HDL was improved by Coconut oil, so given “traditional” wisdom, which is somewhat suspect, coconut oil should be good for you. Video here:

I can’t embed because it’s not Youtube


(Leslie) #5

So once again I will follow the statement that there is a HUGE conspiracy going on. Follow the money. From where did this so called research come? I guarantee that somewhere in the ownership is a greedy conglomerate of corporate liars that are only interested in keeping America sick.

Sorry if that sounded extreme, but I do believe it

Every doctor that I have researched, every scientist that I have heard interviewed, every nutritionist that I have personally spoken with, who are keto minded, knows that coconut oil is absolutely amazing and nutritious and stable at cooking heats and just plain the right way to get fats that contribute to overall health. Oh, and the business about cholesterol has to be tossed. Cholesterol levels and its causing disease is also a lie told by the conspirators.

This article is based in junk science. It is biased because it has to be for the journal to maintain funding sources.

Please, please do the research for yourself. Listen to the doctors on the front lines of keto research. Tim Knoaks is the premier scientist on all things keto. Dr. Ken Berry and Dr. Jason Fung are much more informed than the greedy corporations who funded the pseudoscience this article is based on

Knowledge is power.
Accurate knowledge is the only real power
That being said, I hope you will do the the work to find out for yourself

I hope you find this helpful
Keep calm and keto on


(Ron) #6

I assume your statement is a general one and not specifically addressing me as you can see from my above post (and as quoted below), that I have done my own research. I also have no debate to anything in your post as I reasonably agree with it.

If your plea is to encourage anyone reading this thread to research for themselves, I wholeheartedly agree.


(Leslie) #7

Oh, yep. Sorry if I offended you. I was absolutely venting and speaking to the everyone in the room.
Love, peace and keto


(Ron) #8

Not offended. It’s all good!!
Verification might get others reading to understand the directive and actually do some looking…We HOPE !!!:pray:


(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #9

Avocado oil is largely monounsaturated fat. Not a worthwhile source of medium chain triglycerides.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #10

The AHA literally got its start because of a large donation from Crisco. They have endorsed Crisco oil as healthy ever since the 1940’s.

ETA: Can you imagine them ever saying, “Oops! Our bad!”?


(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #11

Nah… they have the Titanic problem. They might see the iceberg of PUFAs and HCLF, but they really don’t have a practical way to turn to avoid it. They could start a turn, but it’d probably take them a generation to go full reversal… I almost feel like it’d be better for the AHA to cease to exist and a new body to take it’s place. Because they’re pushing dangerous advice and ignoring good results.


#12

If the conspiracy is really there, then I am wondering: coconut oil manufacturer would hope to “de-demonize” themselves, wouldn’t they? WHY WOULDN’T THEY SPEND MONEY TO “BRIBE” THE RESEARCHERS TO MAKE GOOD NAME FOR THEM INSTEAD? <_<

As in, if those sugar manufacturer(coca-cola is the biggest) can, the coconut oil manufacturer can also.


(Todd Allen) #13

It is a matter of scale. Compare the amount of shelf space in your local grocery dedicated to coconut oil versus that given to the seed oils plus crisco and all the other products made from those things.


#14

I wonder if it is because of the bad name that coconut oil gets. I mean, I think it is the other way around: Because of the bad name and the not-so-low cost, no one is willing to use it to make product.


(Todd Allen) #15

Hydrogenated palm oil has a much worse reputation than coconut oil and yet it is much more commonly used in processed foods. Cost is king.


#16

So I also added in “the not-so-low cost”. <_<