Interresting. Is there a research that link saturated fat to heart problems?


(Omar) #1

Watch this on Ticktock. Dr Alo reply to a post made by Dr Berry, the carnivore guie

If you have time read the comments

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS6aw2aD9/

I read in this forum that there is no solid scince connecting heart problems to saturated fat, but Dr Alo is refering to a research (I think the Finland study) in his post.


(Alec) #2

Yep, but where does he link the actual studies so we can go have a look at them? This is typical Alo… flash some fearmongering charts up on a screen that look like something that shows something, but not get into any detail about what the studies were, what they did, what the results were, what the strengths and weaknesses of the studies were, and what he had concluded from the data.

It seems we just have to trust him that what he says is what the studies actually found and concluded. But I do NOT trust him. He is an utter clown.

I have listened to the carni/keto doctors and researchers now for 7 years, and I have looked at many studies and original research over that time. I am 100% convinced by the keto science. I am very happy to go and look at research that has different conclusions, but Alo is not providing any details or references…. I wonder why that is.


(KM) #3

And guess what. For $6.99, you can buy his book, before signing up for all his classes, which tell you all about the Real way to lose weight. Otherwise, he’d rather not say, except that everyone else is wrong.


(KM) #4

If this is it, I’d note the second paragraph. This is apparently all about a cholesterol lowering drug. Such a surprise, that it found lowering cholesterol to be of value! I know, I should go look up Helsinki Heart Study and see what I can find, for real. But it’s time for my steak.


(Joey) #5

For me, it says “Page Not Available” - but I don’t have a TikTok acct, so perhaps that’s the issue in my case.

I must say, I was not expecting to find anything compelling in the connection between saturated fat and heart disease.

Keeping an open mind, it’s always entertaining to see what passes for “science” these days. But since I didn’t get to read any alleged studies, I will refrain from moving this thread to the Show Me The Garbage category.


#6

I am from Finland.

We had this “Very Succesfull Northern Karelia Project” that is STILL being advertised as the mother of all animal fat studies…many people got rich and famous out of that study. Especially those who were connected with the new margarine industry.

Now, in short,it was utter non-science because a certain area here, high in heart disease, was supposedly doing much better with less fat. Okay, it was so BUT they just forgot to mention that the rest of Finland had the exactly same results WITHOUT fat restriction at the same time. It came down to people cutting on smoking and alcohol in the whole country at that time.

Also, that study was based on individuals reporting their nutritional intake. How scienticically accurate would you think that was many decades ago?

That “Helsinki study” is based on the same folklore, done and advertised by the same folks like Pekka Puska.


#7

Multiple studies were done on this after it was found that the Ancel Keys studies were paid for and false. That’s the reason the USDA removed Cholesterol as a “Nutrient of Concern” over a decade ago. If you Google that, most of the articles of the time will link the studies showing that they couldn’t replicate what he claimed he did in his fake studies. They’re all on PubMed/NIH.


(B Creighton) #8

The most rigorous controlled trials probably ever done on sat/mono fat vs PUFA wasn’t published for over a decade, probably because the mortality rate was higher for the PUFA group. There is no rigorous good science showing a connection between saturated fat intake and heart disease - that is correct.
After WW II, Finnish men had a horribly high heart disease rate. They were eating lots of pork, dairy and smoking and drinking fiendishly, and yes, dying young.

They started a health program promoting less pork, more vegetables, more berries and a lot less smoking. Death rates went down. This dudes conclusion from the program is that saturated fat was the problem. That is simply not a very reliable conclusion… sorry. Maybe all the improvements were due to less smoking? Maybe, the inclusion of some polyphenols in the diet from berries, vegetables, etc. Just not a study reliably able to isolate saturated fat as the culprit.


(Bob M) #9

The link appears to be saturated fat raises LDL, which then kills you via atherosclerosis. Just so many problems with this…

  1. “Saturated fat” - there are many different types of saturated fat, and even in highly limiting studies where they compare individual saturated fatty acids effects on LDL, not all fatty acids raise LDL. Some lower it.
  2. We don’t eat “saturated fat”. We eat food that has saturated fat in it, and anything with fat has a mixture of monounsaturated, polyunsaturated, and saturated fats.
  3. Based on (2) and a lot more nuance, it’s really hard to tell what happens with LDL. My LDL went up initially, then went down, and after 9 years, started going up again. (Sadly, to the point where they keep pushing statins.)
  4. There’s the whole “I went keto, lost 60+ pounds, got off 5 medications, have many other benefits including many blood markers that improved, my blood pressure improved, but my LDL went up.” Obviously, you’re in trouble.

And I haven’t even looked into the correlation between high LDL and atherosclerosis, which is all over the map.


#10

Smoking was not even taken into account in that “project”. Nor alcohol. But use of both of those went down a lot and voila`, it was fat that was declared as guilty.

We have more drowning accidents in summer than in winter. People eat more ice cream in summer. So eating ice cream causes more drowning accidents.

I´m a finn with heart disease. I got my attack after being clear of tobacco and alcohol for four years and my cholesterol numbers were good.

The week after my attack my cholesterol numbers were sky high and I was announced with hypercholesterolemia. It was stress induced of course, when you almost die you tend to get stressed, but nobody paid attention to the fact. They just looked at the new numbers, gave statins etc.

It took me a few years to find out about those normal numbers right before the attack. I found them in my files by accident,a lab test printed by my doc.I was effectively made to believe that it was my high cholesterol that caused my attack / other heart disease that got revealed,etc.afib.