Intermittent Fasting Ideas

(Joey) #41

Yes! We have just found the basis for a new keto forum challenge. :poop:


Chuck, I know that is hard work, but it’s a damned healthy way to live, physically and mentally. And quite healthy for the earth. Spread the manure for next year’s crops as fertilizer, have a pretty self-contained system, work together, help your neighbors on chicken processing day, can, churn butter, understand where food comes from. I know there’s not enough good land for 8 billion people to do it, but I wish there were only 2 billion and we could all opt to do that again. (she says, using the internet to say it, quite aware of the irony, lol). I wish I would have done it at age 40! By the time I got the urge, I was 58 and had to compromise to live a fraction of that life for a few years. (veg and fruit on a half acre, trading that for local free-range eggs, fishing the local lakes, getting venison from a hunting relative, and filling in the rest of food needs at the grocery store. Even that was hard work, but I loved doing it. And as I delivered giant watermelons and bags of tomatoes around the neighborhood, I was building a closer community. Don’t do that now, but am the driving force behind a community garden so my neighbors have access to safe, spray-free, fresh veg if they want.)

Sorry, OP, for the derail. Fasting living that kind of life wouldn’t be such a good idea. :smiley: You need to fuel day-long physical labor.

(Joey) #43

A bit tangential to this topic, but I’ll push back on this notion. Industrial agricultural farming consumes more land for a single (unhealthy) purpose and causes more environmental damage than animal farming in open grazing pastures would.

Animal-based eating without the industrial practices (and associated cruelty) would greatly reduce humanity’s adverse effects on the Earth.

Meanwhile, Malthusian fears of overpopulation have long been disproven, as the inflation adjusted cost of basic commodities (and the “time cost” … of how long people have to labor to pay for those needed commodities) has decreased by nearly 98% over the last 100+ years. [See: for a compelling stroll through the facts.]

This has been made possible by human innovation and applied technology. It’s remarkable… and, so far, the end of this curve is not yet in sight.

Too many people are not the problem - at least not yet.

With carbon sequestering, the prospects for reducing/reversing CO2 emissions is also on the horizon.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #44

As Peter Ballerstedt has the figures to show, there is not enough crop land available to feed the entire human race, even if protein deficiencies wouldn’t do us in, in the first place. The only hope we have of feeding the world adequately is ruminant animal agriculture, because most of the agricultural land is not suitable for growing crops. Not to mention that we have a habit of building subdivisions on farmland, because it’s already been leveled.

Ruminant agriculture using regenerative methods (as opposed to the inhumane CAFO system) helps restore the soil, sequesters a great deal of carbon, minimises flooding, greatly reduces fossil fuel inputs (almost no pesticides, very little synthetic fertiliser, if any, little need for gas-guzzling agricultural machinery, and the electric fences can be solar-powered), and produces meat with much better quality and a better nutrient profile. Not to mention that ploughing a field displaces and outright kills thousands of animals and millions of insects, whereas none of them die to feed an animal. The sad fact is that no matter, how we eat, lives have to be lost to make that possible, so the “ethical” argument in favour of veganism doesn’t hold water. (Unless one believes that the lives of cows are more important than those of rabbits, mice, voles, badgers, foxes, ground-nesting birds, and so forth.)

(Joey) #45

@PaulL Tell it, brother! :clap:

(Allie) #46

I realised how bad the charts are when a vet was telling me my dog was overnight and needed a serious diet. She was a Rottweiler girl, but huge for the breed and actually stood an inch taller than males are supposed to get, but the vet couldn’t see past the fact that she was heavier than a female Rottweiler was supposed to be according to his charts…