Intermittent Fasting Ideas

#21

Eating the way you suggest, don’t you find you have to go to the bathroom if you pardon the expression to poop in the middle of the night?

#22

This type of eating is carnivore not keto, correct?

#23

Why would anyone need to poop at night…? I don’t understand.

@never2late wrote a carnivore meal even if she eats a little plants sometimes… The list was carnivore. Yeah, spice and coffee but carnivores typically allows that as it’s minimal.

#24

Hardly ever. Since I eat very little to no ‘bulk’ I generally only dump every 3-4 days. On ‘dump days’ I might go 2-3 times. But not in the middle of the night.

#25

Sorry but I think it’s unhealthy NOT to be able to poop every day or at least every other day and I mean this as far as colon health.

#26

Why would it be unhealthy? Many carnivores collect a log apparently and it takes days :slight_smile: I go every day even on carnivore but it isn’t the only right way, just mine :wink:

More like “not being able”, it’s “not needed”. There isn’t enough poop to go, no problem with that.

#27

I agree that for you - eating all that vegetative bulk - daily dumps are necessary. But as @Shinita notes: when one is not filling one’s gut with vegetative excess that necessity disappears. I’ll compare my colon health to yours any day and bet mine is better.

#28

I’ve just found that. IDK how trusty the source is, I just put this here :smiley: I looked up the Bristol scale as I am usually not on it and forgot the name…

It’s common for people to empty their bowel once a day, although it’s still normal to be more or less often. Being regular really means that soft yet well-formed bowel motions are easily passed and that this happens anywhere from 1–3 times a day to 3 times a week.

If you ask people on this forum, they say once a week is okay too as long as it works fine, no strain or any problem.
It sounds too slothish to me but what do I know…?
And the amount is really tiny on carnivore. If my body would want to form a smallish log, I wouldn’t go often either.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #29

The idea that we need to move our bowel every day was started by laxative manufacturers looking to sell product. Of course, if we eat a lot of carbohydrate, we’ll have a lot of waste to get rid of and it’s not healthy to let it accumulate, but a high percentage of meat is digestible, so there’s much less waste, and what there is isn’t as damaging to the colon.

#30

Colon specialists will tell you it’s best to move your bowels at least once every other day to limit collection of parasitic entities lining the walls. I’m not bragging but I go once or twice daily and if I eat lunch before 12pm I end up having to go at 2-3am and who wants to do that. I try to eat lunch after 12pm so I dont have to go in the middle of the night.

#31

“Colon specialists” are endoctrinated in SAD and dumping all the vegetative debris associated with it. You don’t seem to realize and/or acknowledge that if you don’t eat all that useless vegetative bulk the necessity to dump it daily disappears. Many folks on this forum can attest that reducing vegetative bulk from their eating reduced the frequency of dumping it. And we’re all perfectly healthy.

#32

Odd. In the article I have partially read, they said one usually goes soon after a meal. It’s obviously not true for everyone but I still don’t understand your (as far as I know) unusual situation. Even people who wake up at night, need to pee, not poop…
My own body is a dear, almost nothing can wake me up at night, definitely not these things, no matter how I ate and drank.

Multiple times a day is normal for me - on carbs. A smaller frequency is perfectly logical on carnivore or close to it. As my frequency was higher and my body loves to toss out the waste often even when it’s just 1-2 tiny balls, I just went to daily but it’s understandable others have a lower frequency. And it seems it works for them just fine.

(Allie) #33

Agreed, that’s not the way the body works and if it does, there’s a problem.

(Allie) #34

Less crap in, less crap out.
It’s that simple.

You’re not constipated unless you have real symptoms of constipation and just not popping is not one of them.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #35

My mother received her nursing training in the 1940’s, before laxative manufacturers invented the notion of “regularity” simply to sell their products. She was very keen on letting the body work the way it wanted to, so we never worried about keeping our bowels on any kind of schedule. Experience has shown a complete lack of harm from that practice, and my colonoscopy results have always been good.

I met a guy once, who was greatly concerned and felt he had to take urgent action, if his bowel didn’t move precisely at ten o’clock every morning. That’s no way to live.

#36

I didn’t do any for 9 months. It didn’t feel right, and (absent carbs) I trust my body. The benefits of IF have been shown by science to apply to males, but not so much to females. So it’s not a requirement.

I stopped snacking immediately, so I did go for 12-13 hours without food. And then eventually, I quit eating a full supper, grabbing a piece of cheese or a handful of nuts. And then sometime after that, I realized I was skipping supper 2-3 days per week. I wasn’t all that hungry, and I really didn’t want the hassle.

But that drove my calories too low, so I started making sure I’m eating a large lunch (a whole t-bone, two burger patties with cheese and bacon.) Suppers became lighter meals if I ate them, and sometimes I don’t.

But it took months and months to get there. No reason to rush it. Let your body lead.

(Chuck) #37

I agree that the most important thing is learning to listen to your body, except for the carbs. After 5 months my body still craves carbs but not the ones I needed to give up. My general rules is no grains and very little potatoes and rice. Yes rice is a grain but it has proven useful in very small amounts. I have raised my calorie intake about 20% and my carbs from a total of 50 to 75 and I am dropping weight again. I am about 20 pounds from being at the top end of normal weight. I haven’t been normal weight in over 40 years, and not sure I will get there this time either.

#38

Sounds healthy to me. But I don’t believe in the weight charts at all. The first time I did keto and got down to a healthy-for-me weight, I fell off because of my frustration with the scale weight still being 20 pounds over normal. But my body fat was 20%, which is plenty low enough for a woman, and I was lifting a lot of weight. There’s an assumption in those charts that females don’t!

I know better now, and processed carbs are just off the table for me, but I have only a vague guess as to what I weigh. I caliper myself. I’m over 65, and 23% body fat, which is healthy for the age. You don’t want to be 15% BF and an elderly female. Bad idea, moving toward the 'break the hip and die four months later" end. BMI/weight charts are, I think, just a proxy for body fat measurements, which is what’ll tell more of the tale. Visceral body fat measurements and a liver scan–now those would likely tell us most of what we needed to know about our metabolic health.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #39

Those charts were developed by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company from actuarial data that is now probably a century old, when the standard diet was very different from what it is today.

So people were a lot healthier in general, although it has to be said that the epidemic of Type II diabetes got started around a century and a half ago, about twenty years after the advent of cheap refined sugar and cheap refined white flour, which means the bad trends had already gotten started. As Weston A. Price observed, dental cavities were the early warning sign of an unhealthy change in diet.

But still, the height and weight charts were based on a population that was generally healthy, and our population has been badly affected by poor diet, so I’m guessing our bodies no longer know exactly what is normal, even on a well-formulated ketogenic diet.

(Chuck) #40

When I grew up in the farming community, I never saw anyone with a fat belly. We all worked the land and ate what the land produced. Meals were farm fresh, produce, eggs, milk, meat, fruit and vegetables. Very lot was bought in the grocery stores, salt, and maybe flour. The lord game from the pigs, and butter from the milk we got from the cows and goats. I remember my family being all slim and stout. I remember going to school in the small farming community and we would challenge the kids from the city schools to football and they didn’t want to play with us, we were naturally stronger and even faster. I grew up chasing down chickens, pigs and calves. For special occasions my dad and I would go hunting for deer, rabbits and squirrels. When I went into the Navy boot camp was a vacation for me but also where I gained so much weight, I should say fat.