I'm not stalling...I haven't even budged to start with (Haven't lost either pounds or inches!)

(Alec) #145

Gabe
I think you are arguing that LDL-P matters, not LDL? Given you (and Peter Attia) are differentiating between LDL-C and LDL-P, then surely there is no such thing as “LDL”. When you say LDL, most people will understand you to mean LDL-C. I think we need to be clear on this.

I have read the Peter Attia quotes, but I see no science. Do you know of any references to studies that I can look at that proves the case against LDL-P? I have searched Google, and found a study that claims to prove that LDL-P is the best marker for CVD events, yet when you look at the data, it is far from proven, and other markers seem far more indicative of CVD than LDL-P. But maybe I am looking at the wrong study?
Cheers
Alec

(Ron) #146

Alec,
If you haven’t looked at the link I posted above, scroll down the page to the LDL section and it goes into pretty good detail about the differences and has links to studies withing the articles content if I remember correctly.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #147

Attia is thorough enough that I don’t see the need for myself to get into the weeds. It also makes perfect sense that when a biomarker skyrockets into the stratosphere, something might be wrong. Though if you went to the 9 articles on lipidology on Attia’s blog, they’re likely to be very well-referenced if you’d like to pick through academic studies.

But again, I’m happy to take his word for it that the journals are packed with studies correlating CVD with LDL-P, and I’m surprised you’re not — he’s no enemy of keto.

(Terence Dean) #148

@gabe I was looking for information about Psyllium husks for my wife and came across the following article, I noticed that they mentioned that Psyllium can have beneficial effects on the body by lowering cholesterol levels. I thought you may be interested in reading this or perhaps you already know. I use a teaspoon of this stuff everyday mainly to add fiber to my meals but didn’t know about the other benefits, comments anyone?

Quote:

‘Psyllium is able to bind to fat and bile acids, which promotes their excretion from your body.
In the process of replacing these lost bile acids, the liver uses cholesterol to produce more. As a result, blood cholesterol levels decrease.’

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318707.php

(What The Fast?!) #149

I just listened to his podcast episode where they did an AMA (it was awesome, by the way) and he talked about LDL-P being a very big deal. Mine is sky high and I’m beginning to worry about it. I’m going to spend some time on Dave’s site and see what he has found.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #150

I heard it. Unfortunately, no matter what anybody says, it does seem to be a big deal, and even if we were to reevaluate this biomarker in the context of LCHF diets, that’ll take years. So in the meantime, we are the guinea pigs…

I’ll test mine again later this year and may have to make some decisions then…

(What The Fast?!) #151

I talked to a legit doctor yesterday who reviewed all my test results over the last year. …and I’ve had a LOT of tests done. He said particle size is by far the most important indicator. If you’ve got a large particle size, he’s not worried.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #152

Dave said he thinks that the type A pattern of particle sizes (the good one) correlates well with the trig/HDL ratio, so if that’s okay, we probably don’t need to worry, even if we can’t get an NMR done.

(Martha Mac) #153