Do I remember the fruit debate! Are you kidding? 
Yeah this is a first for me, I had no idea there was such a thing as our fat cells storing water in the space left by burned fat. So does that mean if we really keep our carbs down to less than 20g will that mean we won’t store water so much due to the lack of glucogen being produced? Or will we still need to wait for the body to shed?
You don’t really want to know, it was embarrassing, I even apologized to all non-fruit eaters in the entire bloody world! But that’s when I was new to Keto so I have an excuse. 
Yes as the body doesn’t require the water to store it in. The cells will shrivel up from being empty and not being used. This is one of the reasons people do EF’s as this stimulates Autophagy (A normal physiological process in the body that deals with destruction of cells in the body. It maintains homeostasis or normal functioning by protein degradation and turnover of the destroyed cell organelles for new cell formation.) to replace those old dilapidated cells with good new ones.
Per Peter Attia:
LDL-P (or apoB) is the best predictor of adverse cardiac events, which has been documented repeatedly in every major cardiovascular risk study.
http://highsteaks.com/straight-dope-cholesterol-summary-dr-peter-attia-eatingacademy-com/#part6
My LDL-P is very, very high. I will keep monitoring it stringently and if the number doesn’t drop, I will have to re-examine the diet. Period.
LDL MATTERS.
@gabe My LDL-P is insanely high - 2603 as of February 2018. I would love to get @ketodave to weigh in. Dave, thoughts on LDL P, do you agree with Peter Attia?
I also have the gene mutation that biases toward a higher LDL.
How high is it, and do you have numbers before you started keto?
This is a very good explanation on on LDL’s and Cholesterol in general. Just scroll down to the LDL section and how Keto plays a roll if that’s all your interested in.
The author says that the scientists in the study found a trigger to the release of the water by
‘providing a single meal that included a dramatic increase in caloric intake. For instance, a 2,300-calorie meal was served to celebrate the half-way mark of the experiment, and researchers noted that many of the men woke up several times to pee that night and, in the morning, were several pounds lighter than the day before.’
I’ve said in a previous post that I use a similar technique to shift stalls by eating a large piece of commercial cheese cake. I picked that up from JC when I had stalls from past diets, so it does look like it was based on some science after all.
Gabe
I think you are arguing that LDL-P matters, not LDL? Given you (and Peter Attia) are differentiating between LDL-C and LDL-P, then surely there is no such thing as “LDL”. When you say LDL, most people will understand you to mean LDL-C. I think we need to be clear on this.
I have read the Peter Attia quotes, but I see no science. Do you know of any references to studies that I can look at that proves the case against LDL-P? I have searched Google, and found a study that claims to prove that LDL-P is the best marker for CVD events, yet when you look at the data, it is far from proven, and other markers seem far more indicative of CVD than LDL-P. But maybe I am looking at the wrong study?
Cheers
Alec
Alec,
If you haven’t looked at the link I posted above, scroll down the page to the LDL section and it goes into pretty good detail about the differences and has links to studies withing the articles content if I remember correctly.
Attia is thorough enough that I don’t see the need for myself to get into the weeds. It also makes perfect sense that when a biomarker skyrockets into the stratosphere, something might be wrong. Though if you went to the 9 articles on lipidology on Attia’s blog, they’re likely to be very well-referenced if you’d like to pick through academic studies.
But again, I’m happy to take his word for it that the journals are packed with studies correlating CVD with LDL-P, and I’m surprised you’re not — he’s no enemy of keto.
@gabe I was looking for information about Psyllium husks for my wife and came across the following article, I noticed that they mentioned that Psyllium can have beneficial effects on the body by lowering cholesterol levels. I thought you may be interested in reading this or perhaps you already know. I use a teaspoon of this stuff everyday mainly to add fiber to my meals but didn’t know about the other benefits, comments anyone?
Quote:
‘Psyllium is able to bind to fat and bile acids, which promotes their excretion from your body.
In the process of replacing these lost bile acids, the liver uses cholesterol to produce more. As a result, blood cholesterol levels decrease.’
I just listened to his podcast episode where they did an AMA (it was awesome, by the way) and he talked about LDL-P being a very big deal. Mine is sky high and I’m beginning to worry about it. I’m going to spend some time on Dave’s site and see what he has found.
I heard it. Unfortunately, no matter what anybody says, it does seem to be a big deal, and even if we were to reevaluate this biomarker in the context of LCHF diets, that’ll take years. So in the meantime, we are the guinea pigs…
I’ll test mine again later this year and may have to make some decisions then…
I talked to a legit doctor yesterday who reviewed all my test results over the last year. …and I’ve had a LOT of tests done. He said particle size is by far the most important indicator. If you’ve got a large particle size, he’s not worried.
Dave said he thinks that the type A pattern of particle sizes (the good one) correlates well with the trig/HDL ratio, so if that’s okay, we probably don’t need to worry, even if we can’t get an NMR done.
