I stuck my head above the parapet at work

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #81

I’m wondering if you could could get your colleague to at least watch Peter Attia’s TED talk. It’s what first got me thinking about the metabolic causes of the chronic diseases that afflict us. Gary Taubes’s early talks at LCDU events and elsewhere describe up the effect on the Pima Indians when they Westernised their diet. And Phinney’s discussions of Stefansson and the Inuit might get her thinking, too. (The write-up by the Bellevue researchers of the experiment on Stefansson and Andersen makes for fascinating reading, too, by the way.)

Zoë Harcombe’s lecture in which she discusses reanalysing Keys’s Seven-Country Study might have an effect, as well. I still remember her saying that when the data from all twenty-two countries are included in the analysis, Keys’s claimed association between saturated fat consumption and coronary artery disease vanishes, but the association between sugar consumption and coronary artery disease, which he dismissed out of hand, is as strong as ever.

(Stickin' with mammoth) #82

Small world, that was my introduction, too. It clicked when he described things going downhill for him despite being an avid athlete. I was doing everything “right” as a serious weight lifter and mountain climber and saw my health take a header beginning in my late 20s when I should’ve been in peak form. Unfortunately, I went the vegan route to try to fix it and that’s what made everything 1000 times worse. Still recovering to this day.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #83

Looking back, I’m glad I encountered keto/LCHF first. I wandered onto what I believe was Michael Greger’s site, and was appalled by all the bald assertions that were completely unbacked by data. The contrast with people like Lustig and Phinney was startling. And then, when I read that diabetes was caused by eating beef . . . :scream:

#84

we have these writing spiders. never saw one in my life til I moved down South and I walked right into one in the hay barn and I freaked to no end…just the colors and SIZE of this monster to me said poison but they aren’t, they are the good one…that little darn black and red black widow is the tiniest darn thing here in NC and they are the poison ones LOL

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this is a pic of one and I walked face first into this thing and darn near killed me in fear HA ugh, of course once I knew what they were I let them live and do their own thing in the barns now.

#85

never go nuclear in that key being the stress you put on yourself to change the entire global world overnight to fit your wonderful health benefits you acheived thru your journey ain’t gonna happen LOL ask me how I know this LOL

Do this in responses and it makes it SO less personal. What proof?
say 'read this: https://www.zerocarbhealth.com/ and once you read this info then respond. Or link to any carnivore group info. Kelly Hogan. Dr Ken Berry. Dr Robert C and more. Your links are more empowered thru those citings than just a ‘chat’ on a board.

you are best to provide links then ‘chat’ because key being no one mostly ever reads the stuff LOL but THOSE THAT do when ya cite real info to them with experts and more in it and humans living the experience, some respond much better than that ‘back forth, no one listens to anyone type chat’ on the social medias.

Just some suggestions as I walked thru it all :wink: might suit you better or might now…weeee…good luck!!

oh but don’t be one of those buttholes that post 15 links to read ya know like many do HAHA just post a few ‘smaller links’ or those ‘grabbing testimonies’ of another living this lifestyle to give that enticing info to want to know more. I know many link up study after study of stupid azz useless medical studies that are like eating dry cardboard and being at the dentist before ya go one line in ya know HA, put links to very enticing short and real good info why protein and fat are key to life…that is key…short and sweet ya know. Just me again on not going too far in to lose the reader, that can happen very very fast. again just chatting, throwing it out there :slight_smile: And always be carnivore kind, cause we get mental clarity realizing we don’t have to vegan bash and be nasty like S Baker has done to the vegan community etc…all we need to do is educate and we can’t do that thru meanness ya know…just calm patience and throw the best info on real nutrition and how it has to change and our nasty food supply etc. info out there that you can :slight_smile:

(Butter Withaspoon) #86

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I said I’d be the poster person. My first handstand balance. About 2 seconds but nightly proud. Must be the cheese, an elixir of eternal youthfulness

(Robin) #87

Whoa! Nice poster person!

(Alec) #88

OK, I took the plunge, and here was my response, for better or worse. I am not sure if I will engage any further… I just want other people to see the other point of view, and to see there are people questioning the Nutritional Guidelines.

And of course, can anyone see the deliberate mistake? Bugger… I had to issue the correction below… not a good look, but it does emphasise the point! :slight_smile:

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(Allie) #89

Me three… but I’ve no idea what you two are talking about :rofl:

#90

After stirring up the bull ants’ nest. Take a moment to retreat?

(Alec) #91

I think I have further stirred it up already. We shall see if they feel the need to respond. I rather fancy they will. Bring it on.

#92

I think it started with Anthony Hopkins, look you….

#93

Is there such a thing as Keto popcorn? Because I’m looking forward to watching this….

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #94

My family is part English, part Welsh, part Scottish, and part Irish. Makes for some interesting family dynamics.

When I started reading Scottish history, I was shocked and angry at what my people had done to my people. Not to mention that lot of my Scots ancestors settled in Belfast before coming over here, and I’m sure they or my cousins must have been deeply involved in the Troubles. When I was little, my Scotch-Irish maternal grandmother (who was a Stuart, no less) used to say, “I’ll wear green on Saint Patrick’s day when they wear orange on Orangemen’s day.” Och!)

I suppose there must be some Cornish in there, too, because we all look so pasty, lol!
:grin::grin::grin::grin:

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #95

Another bullet you should have in your magazine if you don’t already.

The Neolithic Revolution

(Robin) #96

@Alecmcq I look at this sort of discourse exactly the same as arguing about vaccines and politics. All the noise is coming from the shallow end of the pool.

I say walk away. Who cares. You knew going in that you were not going to change any minds. You got to share your beliefs. No reason to defend them.

(Joey) #97

@Alecmcq You’re doomed. Run away.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #98
(Alec) #99

Thanks to everyone for your feedback. One of the reasons I started this was I was getting angrier and angrier as I was watching and re-watching various videos, re-reading Nina’s book, listening and watching more about Dr Tim Noakes’ trial (it looks like those people got away with their bullying without consequence): how can the current medical authorities continue down the current path when the science is clear that they are wrong, and this has really bad, I mean terrible, consequences.

People are dying unnecessarily because of these people being corrupt (taking the drug and food money) and being really bad scientists and leaders. I think I know a good scientist when I see one: Dr Tim, who after 30 years of believing a certain paradigm, was confronted by better science, and realised he had been wrong, and was prepared to change. That, right there, is science. If what we believe is not allowed to change, that is not science, that is dogma.

I am not trying to convince these nutritionists they are wrong. I don’t think that is possible. What I do want to do is say to someone reading that article that what we are currently told to eat is not supported by science. That there is a different view out there that they are wrong. This needs to be a grass roots movement. That means the grass roots standing up for what we think and believe, and not always being happy just standing to one side. To change anything (and boy it needs changing) grass roots needs to call things out. I am a grass root.

I am no politician (I could never get elected because I would tell most people they were idiots :joy:), but I have a talent for not caring that much about what other people think about me, and I don’t mind people calling me an idiot back. I am actually very happy standing out from the crowd and being the weird one. Generally, work is not a place to do/be this, but I am getting to a place where I can’t keep quiet any more about the extremely poor leadership we have on medical protocols on chronic illness. People are dying because of this.

It was a spur of the moment response to that article. But the more I think about it, the more I want to stand up for what I believe to be right on this.

(Allie) #100

People who choose to wear blinkers cannot see beyond them… you won’t make her see anything she doesn’t want to see, but, who knows who else could be watching the discussion and choosing to start opening their eyes. You’ve done your bit, it’s not worth stressing yourself over it.