I got the formal Nutritionist response today, and I have not had time to research and respond. But here it is in full… any suggestions on a detailed response welcome… especially the research she is referring to. I am expecting vegan biassed epidemiology, but I have not yet looked…
I stuck my head above the parapet at work
OldDoug
(Doug)
#42
“the optimal dietary pattern are those based on whole foods - vegetables, fruit, wholegrains (yes, including wholegrain bread!), nuts, seeds & legumes, dairy, protein foods and healthy fats.”
To generalize, there is a lot of truth there, especially if comparing it with a diet high in “junk food.”
IF people ate that way, from an early age, and didn’t go hog wild on any one thing, and didn’t get messed up, then yes - it would usually work pretty darn well.
But if we are talking about specific individuals, or specific groups of people - including many Australians (and people worlwide) whether or not they gained entrance to the group - the obese and/or metabolically screwed up group - via junk food, then it’s far off the mark. Not much good to tell them, “Hey, you need to eat more beans and legumes.” What they need is to understand what has happened and what their condition is, and what approach - at this point - gives a good chance for success.
OldDog
(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.)
#44
Yellow (orange) cheese and butter have annatto food coloring added…
I always get a chuckle when I get the chance to respond to someone who seems to think there is something off about white cheddar. I like to ask " Have you ever seen any orange milk? "
Why they make orange cheese:
back in seventeenth century England, it sort of was. Cheddar cheese was produced from cows whose grass diet was high in beta-carotene, which lent an orange pigment to their milk. That hue came to be a marker of high-quality cheese, which meant that producers of lower-quality, lower-fat cheese learned to game the system by adding pigment from saffron, marigold, and carrot juice.
SomeGuy
(Joey)
#45
Yeah, this is what I assumed… which makes a higher price for white cheddar all the more confounding.
Do they have to pay cheese-making staff extra to remember to refrain from adding the yellow coloring?
Like broken Oreo cookies ought to cost more due to the additional labor involved in tossing the bags around.
Circe
#47
But I am happy to live so close to Shropshire 
apart from the cheese, it’s one of the most beautiful places I’ve seen. (I am not particularly well travelled….)
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#49
I will ask. But when I suggest these ideas to our R&D team I usually get told “it’s too expensive”.
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#51
Don’t worry, my R&D folks will think it through… they are good at that, especially when the answer is no. 
I have suggested a dehydrated cheese snack and cheese wraps in the past, and it’s always the same: no market and/or too expensive.
Circe
#52
I bought some keto cheese snacks the other week. Expensive yes, but the only life raft in an ocean of carbohydrate. Even most readily available pork scratchings over here have dextrose and E numbers and God knows what else in.
Keep fighting the good (unwinnable ) fight 
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#53
And as we all know, the fact that an association exists is not evidence for a causal link. There used to be a Web site that would generate all sorts of spurious correlations.
My favourite is that shoe size correlates with reading comprehension scores. (And when you think about it, it’s because in much of the world shoe size is a proxy for how many years a child has been in school.)
In my part of the world, brown eggs are significantly more expensive than white eggs, despite the fact that they are nutritionally indistinguishable. I haven’t figured out whether the brown eggs cost more because they are more popular, or if they are more popular because they cost more.
And back to the main topic: @Alecmcq, don’t forget that veganism is not science-based, but rather originates in the writings of Ellen G. White, founder and prophetess of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, who believed that eating meat promoted “fleshy lusts.”
The Kellogg brothers, inventors of the breakfast-cereal market, were disciples of hers, and in Australia, the breakfast-cereal company Sanitaria is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Church.
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#54
This was my point to my colleague when I suggested we make these: protein snacks are always expensive and we’ve got to consider that the carb era will soon be over… we need to be ready to feed the world with what they need. Pure cheese snacks and wraps looks to me the kind of thing we could contribute.
His response: still too expensive.
ctviggen
(Bob M)
#55
Well, if they have anything to do with the creativity of the show, you should thank them. It’s laugh-out-loud funny many times, and also poignant at others. Even the way they show the rear seat of the car, with the two kids in it, is hilarious. And the dad’s dance moves in the opening scene are just so funny. We’ve watched that opening scene at least 100 times, and still like it. They also play good music in the background.
Really, it should win some type of award.
Aqua_chonk
(Stickin' with mammoth)
#56
Every couple years, I watch The Road to Wellsville, which is a star-studded parody of the Kellogg story that inadvertently gets a lot of things right. A LOT of things.
Hallie
(Butter Withaspoon)
#58
And yet again I find myself reading this thread, and having a few late night very thin slices of Strong and Bitey. I’ve been to a show and come home to some unaccustomed very late night snacking. Mmmmm cheeeeese, and a nice pale yellow
OldDog
(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.)
#59
What is in a “Keto Cheese Snack” besides cheese?
Cheese is pretty keto friendly by itself…
OldDog
(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.)
#60
Suggest they put the word " Keto" on the package and double the price…