Way too many humans reversing T-2 diabetes long term for this type of study to even be relevant. I hope that none of my tax dollars went to help fund this study , but I’m sure it did.
I only needed to do this for a week?
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#22
Soy is really easy to overeat because of its flavor to mice.
Would like to see the study repeated with what humans eat with a stove and real groceries and kitchen?
I’m really angry!
ctviggen
(Bob M)
#23
There are places where you get a login and can basically log in without an account. I’ve never used them, but they exist.
Sometimes, I’ve seen Peter from Hyperlipid have to ask the authors of the study what they fed the mice/rats/whatever, then find that via a company website.
Vic0628
(Vic)
#24
Except Mice cannot not breakdown fat the same way as humans
and for this reason Fat and carbs do not work the same in mice as Humans
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#25
I’m aware that mice get fat because they like to eat fat.
But you can still get some clues.
ajbennett
(Jack Bennett)
#26
We can’t rule out the possibility that it’s fine for 2, 5, 10 years and then kills you with CANCER!
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#27
The cancer thing is why I include the resistant starch and eat an unripe banana occasionally. They are not sweet at all and tastes awful, like I don’t want to eat this substance because it is absolutely tasteless and bland, but what is interesting is I notice that I genuinely don’t feel hungry at all after eating one for a very long time and my whole gastrointestinal tract has no issues at all when I do eat resistant starches and later food, no gas, acid reflux or bloating, excellent stool etc. It is just little tiny nuances like that you really don’t express to people or wright about, it is not the same as just eating veggies, meat, fat or keto friendly foods.
Bobt
#28
My question is why not? People have been on low carbohydrate diets for a century or more. I’ve personally been reading the same line about “not knowing long term” for over 25 years now. I would think that more than a few people have been followed by now. Funny that the current SAD diet, that basically came about during the Eisenhower time frame never gets that disclaimer.
ajbennett
(Jack Bennett)
#29
Just to be clear, my comment was meant to be ironic. We never know “perfectly” but at some point, when biomarkers are improved for N years and no adverse effects are seen, it’s probably reasonable to regard it as safe.
Bobt
#30
Gotcha. If they had any clear cut evidence it would be out. I hate cancer, had too many family and friends get it, but the number one factor I’ve seen with it is genetics. Some people are just predispositioned to get cancer and that is the biggest culprit. A friend of mine just diagnosed in the last two weeks. Eats just like is “recommended”, exercises, doesn’t drink, less than 40, but has cancer and it doesn’t look good. His dad died young and of the same disease, just a different kind. It’s not fair sometimes.
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#31
I am doing a few months on, a few months off. I am so torn. I know keto prevents a lot of diseases but I am still way too thin (114). And I’m starving. So I am currently on an eat till you drop campaign. But no added sugars.
amwassil
(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.)
#32
@Regina How exactly do you ‘starve’ on keto? A few months on a few months off? You mean like 200 to 300 grams of carbs per day? Just no ‘added sugar’. You want to gain weight, eat more protein and exercise. Could be as simple as wearing ankle weights. Or just pulling in your stomach all the time. If you want to build arm muscle wear wrist weights. Do you have any idea of your bone density? Wearing ankle and wrist weights will help increase it. The benefits of keto go way beyond preventing diseases. It’s a good and healthy place to be. Carb world not so much.
