I hate my guts

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #21

I don’t know how that would be possible. Does he posit some mechanism by which the liver’s taking fatty acids, turning them into ketone bodies, and making them available to the organs that want them could cause fat to get stored in the liver? I would have expected fat to be cleared from the liver, not stored, in the absence of insulin and fructose. At the very least, I would like to see the study on which he bases that assertion.

ETA: Omar, since it is possible to be thin and still have fatty liver disease, I don’t believe it is possible to tell whether people have it just by looking at them. I think a doctor would need to run a liver enzyme test. In any case, liver fat can be cleared by eating a well-formulated ketogenic diet.

#22

Given the amount of fibre in most wholesome vegetables I would imagine Net carbs are low in many common ones? Can’t imagine a reason to ‘miss vegetables’ but maybe because I’m not into micro managing macros (yet)?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #23

I’m with you, Brian. I had this immediate vision of Karen’s daughter walking around while drinking milk and munching on hard-boiled eggs! :rofl:

(Shayne) #24

Turns out Dr. Berg thinks that having triglycerides floating around in your bloodstream have to go somewhere and they just settle themselves down in your liver to hang out for a while and that you must eat large quantities of vegetables to clean out your liver.

Sounds like a giant crock of shit to me, considering all the carnivores out there curing their fatty livers. Your liver doesn’t need a detox, it just needs you to quit eating stuff that isn’t food.

Try these videos instead.


(Omar) #25

I posted the video where Dr Eric explains his hypothesis.

thanks Paul

I appreciate it

(Omar) #26

@smsherbert

thanks

#27

I’m with you. Interestingly, it turns out acute and life-threatening fatty liver (hepatic lipidosis) is something we see in cats who are overweight and suddenly stop eating (usually due to illness or getting lost and being unable to feed themselves). It happens because their body suddenly mobilizes lots of fat, and it does have a toxic effect on the liver.

However:
a) I’ve never heard of it occurring in a cat that has been switched from a standard diet to a high-protein high-fat diet, and
b) Obviously, humans are not cats. This phenomenon is not observed in dogs either.

Being no expert, I can see how this theory may appear feasible, but I think if humans were to have a similar effect when they go from a SAD to ultra low carb or fasting, we would have solid proof by now, not just a theory. It’s not like people making this switch is a rare event, people who have recent bloodwork are doing it every day. Dr. Fung’s patients sometimes go straight from carb-rich diets to fasting (like those cats), and if they were developing fatty liver, I suspect we would have heard of it by now. The only way to prove this theory, or even to give it legs, is to first demonstrate that someone did not have fatty liver, then put them straight onto keto or fasting, and show that they subsequently developed it. Otherwise it’s just more junk science.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #28

Dr. Berg appears to be using Guyton and Hall’s Textbook of Medical Physiology, but it’s not clear which edition. Unfortunately, the 13th edition costs over a hundred U.S. dollars, so I won’t be buying a copy to check (a) whether they are still asserting that low insulin causes a fatty liver, or (b) what evidence that assertion is based on.

On the other hand, I do know that Dr. Lustig, the anti-fructose campaigner, seems to think that low insulin is good for fatty liver disease.

(Omar) #29

interesting

Dr Berg among the few I trust.

But I am not equipped to discuss such technical topic.

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #30

I do most of these as well. Now that I am keto they taste better. I still count grams of carbs.

(CharleyD) #31

I couldn’t eat pedestrians, way too lean :dizzy_face::scream: Gimmie a well marbled, wagyu style beer-swilling, couch potato any day.

(CharleyD) #32

In my n=1, as soon as I restricted carbs, my visceral fat went away like it was happy to be gone.

(Karen) #33

Recently tried ZC. Just can’t do it.

K

(Karen) #34

Big thanks, Shayne!

K

(Frank) #35

Kind of hard to see how you are doing without a before picture. Eat your greens!!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #36

Sounds as though there’s hope for my and my viseral fat, too, then! :grinning::bacon:

(Omar) #37

Not bad at all

But still some work ahead

I did not realize getting dark from working long hours outdoors

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