Hyper responder :-(


(Rachel Sharp) #1

Hi All,

I’ve not been feeling well for a few weeks now and I’ve just had some blood results back. I have a low ferritin level which is my iron store apparently. I don’t get that as I eat red meat. I’m in the UK so I think the numbers differ from the US ones but my cholesterol has almost doubled since I’ve been keto and it was well below the healthy level originally. It’s very high now and so I’m a bit sad :pensive:

I’ve read some bits on hyper responders but I’ve been told by my Doc I need to stop whatever it is I’m doing that has caused these issues, he knows I’ve lost weight and is presuming it’s a diet.

Has anyone had this kind of issue but carried on with Keto? I know generally docs don’t know much about keto or are very supportive but it has shocked me a bit. I’m not diabetic or otherwise unhealthy. My weight is just where I want it to be so I don’t know what to do.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.


(Lesley) #2

I don’t really understand it @Rae but funnily enough just last night I was listening to an interview with Dr. Dominic D’Agostino and he touched on that subject. In this interview he discussed his own high cholesterol levels and he said he was eating too much dairy and adjusted his intake and improved his results. 200g of fat from dairy down to 30/40g now he said. Says each person needs to work out what foods are best for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGSrivYiAjM 37 minutes in


(Rachel Sharp) #3

Thank you @KetoWally. That is a really interesting interview. You may have hit on something there. I was just saying to my husband that I felt like I was developing an over reliance on dairy and I was going to cut back. It doesn’t make me crave or anything and it doesn’t impact on my weight so thought it was ok for me but maybe its getting me in other ways. I think I may drop it and re-test.

Thanks for replying.


(Heather Miller) #4

Im wondering how long you have been following a keto lifestyle. My dr, who believes in keto and fasting refuses to test my cholesterol levels until I have been doing this for 10 to 12 months as numbers will be out of wack while we are losing weight quickly. I had read this in several places.

With that being said, if you are a true hyper responder you do need to be careful…


#5

What is a hyper responder?


(Gail P) #6

The only discussion I’ve heard is this one, Dave Feldman: Biohacking High Cholesterol Levels on Keto Diet. Dave is a hyper-responder (extreme cholesterol results) and he details his experiments and how he got his tests to show better results. It may not be a parallel to your situation because he was feeling great – until he had his blood tested!
link: Dave Feldman

Low iron I’ve not heard or read about. Most of my information seems to come from men, but some of the 2KetoDudes podcasts are run by women, so that could be a resource. I haven’t had time to listen to them all!


(bulkbiker) #7

Your total cholesterol number is pretty meaningless…
what were your HDL and Triglycerides numbers… also had you fasted before the blood draw.
Most doctors have no idea about cholesterol and just spout the NHS mantra without any understanding of the mechanisms that underly how your body works.
Cholesterol is essential for life…


(Consensus is Politics) #8

TL;DR: From pre-teen and throughout adulthood I saw time and time again, humans are clueless. Because doctors are human, and most humans are clueless. Ergo, most doctors are clueless.

Ok, I’ve been posting here for a couple of months. I’m usually very verbose, so I’ll take great steps to keep this from being a wall of text. I’m driving a point here, really.

  • as a kid, I questioned everything. I wanted to know the why and how not the ‘what is’

  • I taught myself basic electronics, and by age 12 I was repairing TVs and radios, et.al. (this was the 1970’s)

  • as a kid I discovered most adults couldn’t answer my questions. So I often relied on books, which would lead to more questions, more books, more questions. I could only imagine the mayhem I would have gotten into had I had access to todays internet back then. [while testing a theory that I couldn’t find an answer for, I came close to blowing up the house. Instead I went small scale, and burnt my fingers instead. I was trying to discover what the bubbles coming off my electrodes in salt water was. I figured oxygen and hydrogen, but couldn’t find the answer so I tested for it. Ok, sorry, getting verbose again🙄]

[this is going somewhere]

So, I came to realize most adults were clueless. Certainly that must have just been the ones I was exposed to as a kid. Enter the USAF. Worked with a lot of people at a lot of places. Met some fantastic people, some very smart people, but those were much less common. Twenty years later I came to the undeniable truth. Most people are clueless. Not necessarily stupid per say, but just not able to comprehend anything outside their box, and mostly unable to think outside their own box.

  • worked for a Cox communications for a couple of years as tech support. The guy on the phone you talk to when your internet isn’t working. The guy that tells you to “unplug it and plug it back in”:grin:. Those two years were eye opening. Took calls from everyday working stiffs like myself. Military, postal workers, auto mechanics, doctors, lawyers. By far the most clueless were the ones with the most ‘education’. No doubt good at their jobs, but unable to think outside the box when I tell them they need to turn something off first in order to troubleshoot the problem. [fyi, never, ever, use cable ties on your entertainment systems. You will regret it. Just keep the speghetti in a neat pile]

  • so now at age 54, I can say without a doubt, most people, regardless of status, are clueless to how things work outside of their expertise. Only most, not all. Just like most doctors know nothing about Keto other than what they have heard or have been taught. Same with nutritionists, who have been taught that the circa 1977 food pyramid (created by a Washington politician, NOT a scientist) has a real problem with Keto. They can’t comprehend it.

  • commonality is not causality. But unfortunately, most people can’t discern the difference. Doctors see prople with high cholesterol and heart disease and look at the diet, and see they nearly all eat meat, which contains fat, we know fat is evil, therefore it’s caused by too much fat in the diet. That’s analogous to saying, nearly everyone that has cancer also has a telephone in their home, therefore telephones cause cancer. The same thought process leads to informercials selling things like magnetic water softeners, copper bracelets, copper inlaid socks, crystal jewelry, the list goes on and on. Sure, I wore those magnetic insoles in my shoes for a week and… Wow! I feel so much better! But maybe it was because I went gluten free at that same time and that’s what made me feel better. Or maybe it’s because the wife is visiting her mom across country for the week, so I’m stress free🤠. All joking aside, most people can’t comprehend the number of unseen variables. Any of which could play a role. I know, I’m preaching to the choir, but we need to remember that docs are subject to the same influences as everyone else. Especially the ones that ‘know’ what causes problem “X”, and when you have “X” they look for what they know can cause that, and stop looking for anything else that can cause it.

Ok, time for me to close this ramble. Wife has kept me distracted enough that I’m afraid to even try to go on. It took 2 hours so far, and it barely makes sense to me. If it seems incoherent to you, let me know, I’ll go back and edit it when I’m alone in the house🤠.