How many people think they have issues with dairy?

(Bob M) #1

I keep hearing how dairy is bad and we should not drink milk. Here are some inflammatory markers of mine from late September of last year:

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All of those while eating dairy and drinking (raw) milk. That is the highest ferritin I’ve ever seen, but I was taking special B vitamins to increase my ferritin, because I’m part MTHFR, and my ferritin was low (40s, below 100) for a long time. My limited understanding is that I have a lot of iron floating around, but it does not get transferred to a usable amount (of which ferritin is one metric). This seems to be true because other iron markers are high while ferritin was low. I even stopped giving blood to raise my ferritin. (Ferritin seems to be a marker of inflammation if it’s high, but too low isn’t good either.)

As for milk, this seems to make me LESS hungry. I do, however, combine it with collagen peptides (back then) and collagen + creatine (now).

How many people get different results? And what do you get?

(KM) #2

I haven’t actually tested anything in forever. I have no digestive issues with dairy whatsoever. Not sure that’s at all helpful, lol.

#3

How the hell did I not know that? If I did, I forgot, I also have an MTHFR, check this out! I’m not low in intake either! I take a bioavailable version but when I up the dose it seals me up.

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(Omar) #4

Never made such test but dairy obviously worsens my diverticulosis. My life quality is better without dairy.

(Bean) #5

I think I do (eyes usually swell), but I’m unsure if it’s histamine or tyramine, or something else as there are two cheeses I can occasionally eat without trouble.

I do okay with real Monterey Jack, wet mozzarella and also the plainest factory-made vanilla ice cream, (carbs are a problem there, of course). Even A2 milk and ghee are problems. All of those would spend very little time as fresh milk before being processed and then quickly sold, so that’s why I suspect it may be something else in play.

(B Creighton) #6

My iron is typically at least average, but I donate blood regularly. I don’t eat a lot of red meat either - typically about 2x/wk. However, I have come to the opinion that SADairy is often bad, and suspect it of even causing type 1 diabetes. It does depend somewhat on our genetic makeup, but still most people become lactose intolerant, which I did in my early 20s, and stopped drinking any milk. I was able to eat SAD yogurt into my fifties though, but at 60 I judged I could no longer tolerate the A1 casein. It causes BPH in me, and then I end up waking to pee, and worse. I have a friend who resorted to the euro-lift surgery, and still had bad BPH symptoms. I told him to try stopping all dairy… Then he said he was SO much better. But, he didn’t want to give up the ice cream, so he still has symptoms.

I suspect SAD of being involved in prostate cancer as well, which my dad had. He did follow the advice of one of his doctors to stop the morning milk for at least awhile, but when he stopped going to that doctor, he resumed… sigh. Anyway, it seems a good percentage of the population is affected by metabolism of A1 casein into an opioid. I can no longer have SAD cheeses, yogurt, etc. I believe all adults should limit themselves to only fermented dairy - yogurt, cheeses, etc, but it is safest to also steer clear of the SAD dairy with A1 casein for everyon’s sake. I plan to continue with goat yogurt and cheeses or other A2 fermented products though, unless I find other issues.

(Eduardo) #7

I do better with A2 dairy although it’s hard to find A2 cheese in anything other than cheddar

(Bob M) #8

I think A2 is better, though it can be hard to determine what is A2 unless it’s advertised. Sheep and goat milk are A2, but once you get into cows, they have to be tested.

Unfortunately, I like some cheeses like blue cheese that Costco has periodically. I’d bet it’s not A2. Tastes great, though. I don’t notice anything after eating it, but there could be internal inflammation I wouldn’t know about.

(Edith) #9

I can’t handle any dairy. It gives me scaly, painful, itchy bumps on my scalp and back (nowhere else :woman_shrugging:) and painful joints, especially my lower back.

(Edith) #10

I think if it gave you internal inflammation, it could manifest as water retention or a bloated abdominal region.

(Bob M) #11

I don’t get that. I was thinking of something like HS-CRP or sedimentation rate, or one of the other blood markers of inflammation.

Kinda like this, where they believe that “saturated fat” causes inflammation:

The last time I got some inflammatory markers done (at the same time), all mine were low, and I eat as much saturated fat, including from dairy, as I want:

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But these types of things, you can’t know what they are doing unless you get them tested, if you don’t have some type of physical response. Personally, for anything that’s bad for me, I’d love to have a physical response. I do get these: some vegetables cause me issues; some fats cause me issues; etc. But for most things, I can’t tell. And even some of those things, I find hard to analyze, as they don’t affect me until later.

There are definitely people who have issues with dairy. I think this is at least partly genetic. (Obviously, since people of Asian descent have issues.)