How insulinogenic is Collagen powder?

(Joanna Parszyk ) #1

Any idea how insulinogenic is collagen powder? I heard that the protein powder is and can trigger high insulin response and in the effect triggering unnecessar hunger. Both products are manufactured and cannot be compared to natural complete protein like meat of course.
Any ideas? Did anybody who measures insulin had an experience?

#2

Not sure how insulinogenic it it is but Iā€™m certain it must have some effect. I tend to drink mine in my post lunch decaf so Iā€™m not ā€˜breaking my fastā€™ with collagen powder alone. Iā€™m still not even sure if itā€™s actually doing anything for me as Iā€™m only a few weeks into my two month experiment.

(Casey Crisler) #3

Same here. Not seeing or feeling anything different. Same with MCT oil. Iā€™m starting to believe all this hype about this stuff is just that.

#4

Iā€™m not prepared to throw in the towel on the collagen just yet as Iā€™m pretty sure I need the glycine but have always managed quite well without MCT. Iā€™d probably try it again if my energy flagged but yeah, Iā€™m getting by just fine.

#5

I use blood glucose as a proxy for insulin. Anything that causes BG to rise is glucogenic and ultimately insulinogenic. Anything that triggers a drop in BG is likely insulinogenic, some artificial sweeteners have this effect in some people.

Iā€™d do an n=1 test with a glucometer. Take a starting BG measurement, then consume the collagen and take readings at 30, 60, and 120 minutes. If thereā€™s minimal change, its safe to assume that itā€™s not insulinogenic for you. If thereā€™s a drop at 30 or if thereā€™s the normal rise then fall, its causing insulin release.

(Joanna Parszyk ) #6

I do not have the gluconomer and was wondering if anyone who does ever did this experiment with collagen.

#7

Again, Iā€™ve never specifically tested after just collagen because I tend to have it with food but Dr Ben Bikman says that in the context of a keto diet you wonā€™t get a high insulin response from protein. You will get some insulin reponse but it will be much smaller.

He explains it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3fO5aTD6JU

(Joanna Parszyk ) #8

Thanks a lot @anon54735292 :wink:
I usually take it with a coffe with 1t butter and 1t cocnut oil (those ingredients should not have an insulin response).

#9

Yeah - I really wouldnā€™t worry about it unless youā€™re actually doing a water only fast :slightly_smiling_face:

If youā€™re interested Dr Bikman gives a good, basic breakdown of the role of glucagon v insulin at about the 10 - 12 minute mark in this video.

(Robert C) #10

Hi @Chipmunk,

I am not sure otherā€™s experiences will help you on something like this.

Robb Wolf talks about this quite a bit - different people have different responses to different foods.
Someone here could report a very high response and you might nave none (or vice versa).

I happen to have this in my coffee too - just 12 grams so, not to worried about an insulinogenic effect (and always followed by a workout anyway). I think the benefits of getting this type of protein are important.

Hereā€™s a study if you want to digā€¦

(Joanna Parszyk ) #11

You guys are amazing!!!
I tried to get some advice on a different platform and it went south :woozy_face:
I appreciate the replies a lot and will definitely check the links out!

#12

Thereā€™s a reason I hang out here :smile: itā€™s a much nicer & more sensible place.

(Jane) #13

Interesting article. Could explain why some people can eat more protein w/o gaining weight and others have to be more careful.

(Robert C) #14

I agree - especially when you read some peopleā€™s comments around here. Months of ā€œstrictā€ keto (carbs under 20) but blood sugar creeping back up. In fact, it makes me a little upset with some of the people pushing higher protein around here - might make sense for weight loss in a healthy person but might not make sense for someone trying to reverse diabetes (for whom just keeping carbs under 20 grams might not be enough).

#15

To be fair, there are some diabetics who do better on higher than therapeutic keto levels of protein too. It really is very individual.

(Jane) #16

Santa :santa: is bringing me a KetMojo next week as an early gift since Iā€™ve been such a good girl :laughing:

I have been using the powdered collagen for about a month now and noticed my neck has tightened up a bit. Thatā€™s a big deal for someone turning 60 in Jan!

Iā€™ll dissolve it in water and run some tests to see what my BG response is. Iā€™ve never run these types of tests before so I wonder what the best protocol is to test for an individual food.

I know I have to start in a fasted state but I donā€™t want dawn phenomenon to interfereā€¦

Is 4 hours after my morning coffee a good time I wonder? I want to test on multiple days to get an average.

#17

Your link should be a permanent sticky. There are so many posts asking ā€œDoes _____ effect ketosis?ā€ or ā€œketo isnā€™t working for meā€ or ā€œIā€™ve stalledā€¦ā€. Over and over folks reply with generic answers like lower your carbs, up your fat, eat less protein, try fasting.

People who are not getting the results they want would be best served by buying a glucometer and figuring out what works for their body.

Thanks for posting an article proving the importance of n=1 testing.

(Joanna Parszyk ) #18

I remember that when l used to have protein powder it gave me zero satisfaction and made me actually hungry. But back then l was just trying to restrict calories :woman_facepalming:t3: ( hungry and shaky all the time).
I started adding the collagen powder lately and lā€™m just afraid that lā€™ll sabotage myselfā€¦last thing lā€™d need nowā€¦

(Jane) #19

Collagen doesnā€™t make me hungry but everyone is different.

I have company at my house so havenā€™t really had a chance to do much with my Keto Mojo yet.

I had my usual BPC this morning with butter, HWC, stevia and collagen. I tested my blood glucose about 40 minutes after drinking it and I was at 88. Not very scientific, just one data point and I had the other stuff in my coffee besides collagen. And no baseline before I had my coffee.

But I donā€™t think the one data point is totally meaningless as 88 shows that nothing in my coffee spiked my blood glucose.

(Joanna Parszyk ) #20

Many thanks Janie, l appreciate it a lot!