How do you track your macros?

(ange) #41

Thanks for all this information @Alex99. I think I have been trying to live my old life and feed my sweet tooth by adding sugar free chocolate or lollies daily. Have ‘enjoyed’ a vodka and soda most evenings. If I switch to only eating real food and accept the changes I need to make hopefully I will expert the success you describe.

#42

Some alcohol can be had but it’s the soda that’ll switch off fat-burning and of course switch on fat-storage …

I use to drink wine but a few years ago, well before keto, I applied tactics like “get well away”, “get away from the border”, “look forward not behind”. So I am glad to be well away from alcohol now. The worst part is it alters perseption of time, it seems 10 years flashed past which I cannot account for, I just lost those years of my life. One day I woke up 10 years older.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #43

Club soda inhibits lipolysis? Wow! Do you know by what mechanism? This is a new one on me. I’m better acquainted with the effects of vodka than was ever really necessary, but I thought club soda and Seltzer were as innocuous as they come.

#44

OOPS, have I got my concept of “soda” wrong, in Australia we call it “soft drink” which is sugar with a bit of water in it. … definitely will blow keto out of the water.

Or is this the sugarless “soda”, I think we call that “mineral water” or is it “spring water”?

Ok, I confess, I’m horribly confused. Hopefully the OP knows what I mean (because I dont’).

How about this “vodka” + “tons of sugar” liquid … the vodka in moderation might be OK but the “tons of sugar” liquid will not be.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #45

Oops! Two great nations divided by a common language! How silly of me, I forgot you were speaking Strine! Of course you are absolutely right about soda as properly understood.

My ex was a Pom, and we had an interesting experience up in the Boston area, years ago. He asked for “tonic” (as in gin-and-), and the waitress asked him what kind of tonic he wanted, causing no end of confusion. Fortunately, my dad is from that region, so I knew that she wanted to know what kind of soft drink he wanted, and he was trying to tell her he wanted “quinine.” We had a good laugh once the confusion was cleared up.

#46

Ha ha, yep. So she’ll be right mate, good as rain. Now you’re talkin’ turkey I can finally understan’ ya.

(ange) #47

I did mean natural mineral water not flavoured, sweetened soft drink or ‘soda’. Is that a problem still…

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #48

Naw, we’re good. (And when we’re bad, we’re better!) :grin:

(ange) #49

Definitely meant the sugarless natural mineral water variety.

#50

No

#51

Hmm, yes my mistake, the sugarless stuff (with no artificial wanna be sugar) should be OK, but again all in moderation.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #52

Under a high-carb diet, the insulinogenic effect of protein is about half that of carbohydrate, whereas in the absence of carbohydrate, protein stimulates glucagon in step with insulin, so that the insulin/glucagon ratio remains unchanged. The liver remains free to continue making ketones, because the glucagon signal counteracts the insulin signal.

We also know now that gluconeogenesis is driven by demand, not supply, and the modest quantity of glucose needed is about a tablespoon circulating in the bloodstream at any given time, and that low a level of blood sugar is not going to stimulate any insulin secretion.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #53
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #55

Take a gander at what Dr. Naiman has to say on the subject:
https://player.vimeo.com/video/273508045

(Running from stupidity) #56

Yes, yes, yes.

#57

Thanks for the link. Great vid.

(Chris) #58

Are you assuming my goals match yours?

Micronutrients in greens are not very bioavailable for humans.

By ‘meat’, I didn’t mean eat just protein. There’s fat in there too.

You’ve been on the forum one day, maybe spend more time listening and less time laying down the law and perhaps you’ll have an easier time.

(Sarah Peller) #59

I’m not losing weight, I don’t think. I’m not really doing it for weight loss, although that would be fine. I’m more doing it to see how I would feel once I’m in ketosis.

(Sarah Peller) #60

Maybe this is a good idea… I’ve already dropped all sweet things. It’s been about 2 weeks now of that. I don’t understand the second instruction… 1-1.5 g of protein per kg of goal body weight? What are you referring to?

(Sarah Peller) #61

Thanks so much for your detailed and thoughtful response. It’s great to get some support. I’m still not in ketosis and I don’t understand why it’s so hard for me. I keep trying so hard and it’s so frustrating. Switching to Cronometer has helped a ton, but I can’t always meticulously monitor my food intake and I then don’t know what I’ve done wrong because I can’t track it.

It’s interesting to hear you mention medications… I do have a medication to sumatriptan (migraines), that I take at least once a week, often more. I wonder if that is having an effect…