How bad is natural fruit juice for keto?

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(Elian) #1

OK, so on a scale of 1 to 10, just how bad would you guys say it is to have one glass of natural, home pressed, organic fruit juice a day if you’re on a keto diet?

I’ve been keto for a while now, mainly because I’m trying to get rid of SIBO and IBS, so I know fruits are kind of tricky for both keto (spiking insulin and carb count) and SIBO (sugars and fermentation of the fibres in the gut), but is it the end of the world if I juice 1/4 pineapple, 1 kiwi, 1 carrot and some celery every day?

Lemme know what you guys think.

(Rebecca ) #2

My personal answer: I stay away from all juices…fruit and vegetable. I would eat fruit ( and I don’t) before I would drink the juice…remember, my opinion only!!

#3

4 ounces of pineapple juice already puts you at about 15 net carbs…and I suspect 1/4 pineapple would yield far more than that? One kiwi is about another 6 net carbs.

That would make it difficult to stay under 20 net carbs for the day.

(mole person) #4

I’m guessing it puts you in about the same place that eating a Mars bar every day would. About 35 grams of sugar carbs all at once without the buffer of the fibre from the fruit itself. So one hell of an insulin hit.

1/4 pinapple ~ 26.5 g net carbs
1 kiwi. ~ 8 g
1 carrot. ~ 4 g
1 stalks celery ~ .5 g

Total: 39 net carbs.

So actually, it’s a bigger sugar hit than a Mars bar.

(Susan) #5

Since our goal on Keto is to stay under the 20 net carbs maximum limit, this would be almost doubling that, so I would say it would be best Not to do this if you want to stay in Ketosis and have those benefits,

(Mame) #6

how bad is it for you? for me that’s the only question.

If you can drink fruit juice daily and still accomplish your goals (lose weight, stay in ketosis) then great.

How bad is it for me?
Horrible. it’s highly processed, my liver gets cranky when I have it. and it leads me to crave sweets, highly concentrated sweets. Oh and I start packing on pounds. I have tested this with real whole LC fruit several times. It’s not worth it and I don’t like it for me.

(Ken) #7

It depends. Mainly on your degree of Derangement. For non adapted and overweight Noobs, not a good idea since the focus is on adaptation and normalization of hormonal secretions. For those well adapted or in Maintenance, occasionally drinking juice or having limited.fruit is not detrimental. The real point is when you’re no longer Hyperinsulinemic. However, it does temporarily halt Lipolysis. Not necessarily a bad thing, if only done occasionally.

Please, no tales of Victimhood, Mental Illness, or Addiction. This is strictly Biochemistry.

(Joey) #8

Putting aside the idea that “natural” necessarily equals “good” (working through the alphabet: anthrax is natural; so is arsenic, asbestos, …):

Much of the difference between whole fruit and pressed juice from fruit comes from the result of the pressing itself. You’re removing the sugary liquid from its “natural” fiber housing. The fiber has a considerable effect on how one’s body absorbs the sugar in the fruit.

What’s more, the volume/portion changes vastly. You’d be hard-pressed (pun intended) to eat all of the apples it takes to make a single 6 ounce glass of apple juice in one sitting. The fiber content would signal your body to stop. By juicing those same apples, you’re depriving yourself of both the goodness and the significant signaling that the skin and pulp of the apples are there to provide.

Notwithstanding the marketing hype, please be forewarned that “juicing” is not creating a “better” natural drink… it’s creating a distorted version of what nature has already designed.

Food for thought.

(… Okay, enough from me. Now I’ll leave whether fruit is good for a keto diet for others to weigh in on.)

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #9

Think of it this way: fruit juice = glucose/fructose juice. What was the question again?

(bulkbiker) #10

You’ve kind of answered your own question…

My question would be why you would want to do something that may be harmful and gives you zero benefits?

(Jack Bennett) #11

What’s the purpose? Are you looking for some unique nutrients that are in the juice?

A cup of juice (250 mL / 8 oz) will have about 25g of carbs. On a strict keto diet, that will be essentially 100% of your carb budget, concentrated in a quick-drinking and quick digesting drink.

(Karen) #12

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(Scott) #13

Once you squeeze the juice it becomes a processed food, That means all the fiber is removed and you have sugars left. Sorry

#14

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#15

I was never good with giving numbers but maybe 9-10 as a substance, without amounts? Quick sugar without even fiber, you can consume an awful much almost instantly if you are into that and it’s borderline undrinkable for me as it’s extremely sugary… The worst stuffs are over 10 (off the scale) for me, I simply don’t consider them even in tiny amounts :smiley:
I love fruits and theoretically it’s fine for me to have some fruit juice (from some not too sweet fruit or adding a lot of carbonated water, possibly both). I think about (preferably much) smaller amounts than 1 oz, mind you. Me being the rebellious, not completely but strongly IIFYM one would totally drink fruit juice if I wanted - but due to my thinking and taste, I don’t want it, I eat proper fruit (rarely and usually in tiny amounts but it vary). That is a way better choice IMO, I just don’t see the point in drinking fruit juice unless one really desire it, it feels good and causes absolutely no problems for them. It’s drinking sugar, it’s obviously not advisable but whatever works for the one in question… But the amount should be tiny in almost all cases. Some people surely can afford more during some heavy exercise or something…

One glass is out of question for almost everyone.

(Allie) #16

It would totally un-keto your keto diet…

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #17

Sugar wise, it is the same as a soda. It does come with vitamins, but vitamins you can get with a ketogenic diet, no problem. Your choice, but not a ketogenic choice.

#18

I see we began keto the same month, nearly a year ago. I lost 55-60 pounds and fixed all my blood numbers, cut out statins and dropped my other medications at least 50%. But I have learned that occasional high carb excursions have little to no lasting impact. I am pretty sure those apple fritters with regular ice cream I had coming back from Italy had more processed/useless carbs than fresh juices.

So, not it isn’t the end of the world. But if you do it every day and want to stay in ketosis you are going to have to be VERY low carb the rest of the day… then again, slam down that juice and go exercise enough and maybe that glucose stays in your muscles… hard to say.

(Allie) #19

Once in a while is different to the every day idea the original poster has.

(Jack Bennett) #20

In my experience, that’s a very critical question. If something is truly a “once in a long while” indulgence, it really doesn’t seem to matter. Eat a gallon of ice cream once a year - who cares?

On the other hand, if “once a year becomes” once a month … week … day … once every meal - that can become a problem. It’s a very common failure mode for all kinds of diets and habits in general: “just this once” is often not just this once.