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(TJ Borden) #22

I thought we had an agreement that I’d leave you alone as long as you didn’t peddle your bullshit on newbies asking about the ketogenic diet, which you’re NOT doing, but here you are doing it again.

Insulin responses aren’t based on the caloric or fiber content. 100 calories of fat will have a nearly ZERO insulin response. 100 calories of sugar will have a HUGE insulin response. It’s not about the calories. It’s about the sugar and the hormones.

Yes you can cut calories and lose weight. You can also chop your leg off and lose weight. That doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid fucking way to do it.

(less is more, more or less) #23

His breaching this informal agreement doesn’t surprise me. I sincerely hope the moderators address this. There’s enough confusion without active trolling.

(MelissaH) #24

@Baytowvin well said!! You and I could be friends

#25

Agree wholeheartedly! :grin:

(CJ Young) #26

I see a lot of these sort of worries and concerns on the forum. People who are following Keto and exercising and the weight is sort of staying put. This was my experience for several months as well but I kept with it. Mostly because I felt much better which was by itself an improvement for me.

I also made sure I wasn’t hungry. One thing I know about Keto is that you need to feel satiated. At first I coulden’t tell when I was acctually hungry or not because the Standard American Diet had screwed up my hunger signals so badly. I found at first the way to do this was to not eat at a caloric deficit and just get used to eatting exactly the number of calories I need to maintain a day. For me that’s 2300. I just plunked the numbers you give into a calculator and it looks like if you are trending around 1400 calories a day you might be under eating a little bit, maybe try and get closer to 2k a day for a bit. I know it sounds counter intuitive but that might be encouraging your body to hold onto what it’s got and only burn incoming fat instead of the fat on your body. If your body thinks it’s starving it will act like it.

Low carb is only part of it, you gotta make sure you’re also eating enough fat. This can be tough, especially at the beginning. Bulletproof coffee is a easy way to boost that to meet your macros and get that fat up. Two a day is 400-600 calories from fat. An easy way at the beginning to boost fat.

It may only take about 3-6 weeks to get fat adapted but it seems that your body gets more efficient at burning fat after you’re 4-6 months in. That doesn’t mean it will necessarily take that long for you to start loosing weight, only that your body is still getting used to these changes.

Also, I suggest getting a measuring tape and start taking waist, belly and hip measurements every few weeks. I found that when I wasn’t loosing weight I still lost a little around the middle. Not crazy amounts but it was encouraging that at least something was happening. I don’t know for sure what but I was exercising quite a bit so I think I was just building muscle and loosing a bit of fat so the needle wasn’t moving. All I know is now I’m 8 months in and 70lbs down. For the first time since I was 16 (i’m 30 now) I’m no longer obese according to my BMI.

It might seem like what’s the point right now but keto is really something you gotta give time. As they say, Keep Calm and Keto On.

(Running from stupidity) #27

You don’t want that.

(G. Andrew Duthie) #28

This is only true for those who are not metabolically deranged. If one is insulin resistant, with a high baseline insulin level, then the only calorie restriction will do is slow the metabolism and cause more problems.

Posting what works for you as an n=1 is fine. What is not OK is making the assumption that what works for you will work for everyone. There is abundant evidence that CICO does not work for most people. If it works for you, congratulations, you have won the genetic lottery, or never abused your body badly enough with carbs to create IR. Please don’t assume that makes you an expert on others’ biochemistry and metabolic processes.

(Running from stupidity) #29

This advice should also be considered when listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with Dom D’Agostino & Layne Norton from the other day. Layne’s examples all seemed to be about people who were prepping for bodybuilding shows. Not exactly the general population (in addition to the other issues he had with his arguments).

#30

Hi Love, :slightly_smiling_face:

Have a hug.

You are by no means the only person who doesn’t lose weight on keto.
I don’t either.
In my case i have a fair bit of hormonal ‘stuff’ going on that makes weight loss particularly challenging. I did some very low calorie dieting at your age and I managed to bugger up my metabolism. 3 decades later I am still living with the consequences. So take it steady. Do your research. Don’t fall for the low calorie starvation crap quick solution. And count the non-scale victories. I am sure you have some.

And have another hug.

(Todd Allen) #31

In a healthy person with depleted liver glycogen it could get taken up by the liver without hitting the blood stream. And if it did hit the blood stream if muscle glycogen is depleted and a person has good insulin sensitivity it could get taken up by muscle with a small insulin response.

(Doria) #32

Consider stress and hormones as major factors. Don’t count calories or if you count calories make sure you have a wide range like 1500 to 2000. Here is my story. I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s disease. At 5’2" I weighed 170 lbs with lots of low thyroid symptoms. After doing my own research into Hashimoto’s Disease, in 2013, I started a grain/soy/corn/sugar-free LCHF/Primal diet (<50g carb/day). This diet changed my life forever. Unfortunately, weight loss was extremely slow. It took 6 months to lose just 10 lbs. But, it was the first time since my 30s that I lost weight below 165 and I didn’t have one panic/hypoglycemic attack. I hated those panic attacks. Next year 2014 I dropped another 12 lbs. (1 lb/month) I was frustrated with the slow weight loss but I kept calm and Keto’d on because I had improvements in many other health markers. I believe the slow weight loss was due in part to my thyroid hormone issues. But, also I believe there was a strong stress related component, especially work stress in my case. I was laid off from work in 2015. My husband and I decided to relax and take it easy. Within 3 months I surprisingly dropped another 8 lb. I think I dropped the weight because I was on Keto and I wasn’t exposed to all that work related stress.

(John) #33

This!

I was chugging along dropping weight like crazy last week (was on vacation, getting plenty of sleep, cooking leisurely, having a lovely time). This week, back to work. Carving out time to cook, go to the grocery store, pack a lunch every day, plus workplace stress.

I stayed pure strict keto the whole week, actually increased my exercise, probably overall ate less - and gained about 3 pounds. I didn’t get quite as much sleep (7-ish hours a night versus that glorious vacation sleep of 9.5 hours per night).

Obviously work is the normal state of affairs and I am back into the swing of things there but I think going from no stress to normal stress is probably the culprit. I knew something was up by Wednesday when I had a big energy drop and wasn’t getting up every night at 2:30 AM to use the bathroom.

Weekend ahead, though, so I am looking forward to some longer sleep and no-rush cooking. I really only count Monday mornings as my “official” weigh-in, so not worried about weekly fluctuations.

(Edith) #34

Check out this podcast. The wife mentions that she actually gained weight when she started keto, but after about six weeks, she started losing. It’s been a long time since I listened to the podcast so I don’t know where that was mentioned but it’s in there somewhere.

I think for some people healing needs to occur before the fat loss. Also, make sure you are not eating too much keto junk food, .i.e. meets the macros but no nutrional value.

(Kirk Wolak) #35

Okay, let me drop in here…

  1. What is your blood type? (O?)
  2. How do you feel?
  3. Do you have any eczema, dandruff, Bowel or yeast issues?
  4. What do you eat, and how often?
  5. Do you do ZERO Calorie Foods (thinking that matters)?
  6. How are your morning Blood Glucose and Blood Ketones?
  7. How is your blood pressure?
  8. Are you Fat Adapted (Can you easily skip meals without hunger)?

I wont give you my full story, but the short version is this:
A) I am an O type, with a pretty solid Neanderthal DNA base according to 23andMe…
B) I cannot tolerate MOST vegetables. I get inflammation, headaches, migraines, stomach issues
C) I had to go to One Meal A Day, and Carnivore. Only Water, or Black Coffee or Black Tea. Done.
D) TRF to 60 minutes or less

When I did ALL of those things. The weight fell off. I learned from the Plant Paradox, that I am VERY REACTIVE to Lectins, Gluten, and most fruits. Apples cause joint pains for me.

My blood ketone levels, were up to 4 within days, High Blood Pressure gone in 8 days!

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After 90 days and losing roughly 50 lbs, I cycled down to KETO, and stopped TRF (Time Restricted Feeding windows). And within 2-3 days, My blood Glucose moved up, AND my ketones dropped like a ROCK!

To be clear, I am adding some WALNUTS, and non-carby vegetables (asparagus, cauliflower).

I still have 30-40 lbs to lose (Future Dexa scan will tell).

But I cannot believe how much worse KETO is than Carnivore (FOR ME). I can tolerate ONE Keto day per week.

For the record. ZERO calories (for me, especially) is TOTAL BS. If I drink a DIET COKE, my Blood Glucose goes ALL OVER the place. And typically drops after an hour or two. This is NOT GOOD. It is jacking with INSULIN, even if it has ZERO calories. This is a typical mistake.

I recommend, eating whatever FATTY Meat you like for 7 days, and get back to us. TRACK your Glucose and Ketone Levels, every morning, about the same time. And again 2hrs after your last meal.

DO NOT EAT After 6pm.
Strive for ZERO Carbs.

Only 1 week. That is all I ask… For me, it was the kickoff to Intermittent Fasting, which REALLY helped.
See if it makes a big difference. If it does, then introduce ONE vegetables you really want to eat. One day.
monitor your Blood Pressure (it usually rises if you are allergic to something, it certainly does for me, and a few other people I know).

Do NOT use ANY Artificial Sweeteners! (Again, Splenda Caused my Glucose to move all over the place).

Get a PRISTINE Zero Carb, nothing SWEET tasting diet going. That’s extreme, but 1 week will tell you. Then you can go back to adding in some GOOD carbs (not sweeteners).

For the record, I am already back to OMAD even though I am on vacation. My blood profile went from “AMAZING” to “SUCKY” really quickly. My tolerance for even 20g of carbs on a regular basis does NOT exist. the first 2-3 days, yeah, but my ketones fell like a brick, and have stayed low. If they do not go back up by Saturday morning. I will fast Saturday/Sunday AND Workout a bit.

So, I feel your pain. Maybe we have something in common.
But stick with it.

For me. I feel AMAZING on this program. I felt better 10 days ago (before changing to Keto with less restrictions). But this is part of TESTING my maintenance plan. Knowing how my body might respond.
It is also why I BELIEVE you have to maintain your weight for a LONG TIME to FIX your metabolism.
(I think 1 month per year of being overweight, so 30 months for me).

HTH,

Kirk out!

#36

Haha thank you! need to read that:)

#38

@Jacymac
Hi, thank you for answering. yes my dr put me on the pill to regulate my period, hoping it will also help with hormones too. takes time though, so we will see

typically I eat
-Breakfast: 2 fried eggs, 2-3 pieces of bacon
-Lunch: 2-3 handfuls of spinach with my homemade dressing (olive oil, mayo, dash of balsamic, s&p) plus a veto drink (1 cup of unsweetened almond milk, scoop of Perfect keto collagen powder, tsp mct oil)
-Dinner Varies! meat (usually chicken, with ghee, and ghee fried cabbage or asperagus.
or I will eat zucchini noodles, 1/4-1/2 cup rao’s vodka sauce, with ghee and Italian cheeses
-Dessert (sweet tooth) 1 oz of cream cheese or mascarpone with a tsp of jenny’s skinny syrup

I drink, but only on Friday and Saturday and its titos, soda water and a lime wedge

#39

@saphire weightless is a long journey! best of luck, What do you think/ how did you do your fast?

(Ellie) #40

Sounds like you are eating the right sort of things.
Not sure about the perfect keto shake. I’ve never seen those and I try to stick to real food rather than powders.
I suspect you have an underlying hormone issue. The pill to regulate your periods will help but the question is why is the imbalance there.
As keto helps with hormone issues it may just be that you need to give it time and accept that weight loss may not be your bodies first priority at the moment.
Keep doing what you are doing and focus on non scale victories and how you feel for now.
Also check on this forum as there are various threads regarding keto and hormone health, pcos, and that kind of thing. Maybe some of those will give you some pointers.

#41

@youngcj190 Thank you for your advice! will keep in mind! Not going to lie, upping calories sounds like the scariest thing to me. I fear that I will only gain more weight :grimacing:

#42

@Brunneria Thank you this is very encouraging. eating low cal is sorta like the tanning bed, everyone does it and looks great, but long term it is not good. I try to apply that way in all my life! Good things come to those who wait AND WORK! Many hugs to you!!