Had a Cheat Meal with Carb Blockers Today: Here's what happened

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(Robin) #21

Good for you. You never know until you try.

#22

I feel like just limiting carbs is the way to go on keto but I may be wrong. My body will let me know. I had a slice of rye toast today with lunch about 25 grams. I don’t expect to do that every day.

(Sophie Wu) #23

Hi there, instead of doing any readings I read my body. So after consuming carbs with the carb blocker, I don’t feel any dizziness (which typically would instantly come on when I eat carbs, as my body just made a humongous wave of insulin - as advised by the other members of this forum). The next day I don’t feel any repercussions whatsoever, I’m okay to do keto and I dont gain any water weight on the scales. The only reading I still do after eating carbs is the urine one, I am still in the dark-pink zone the next day for the urine reading.

(Sophie Wu) #24

No, I don’t have to cancel my sub to the internet. It’s just some of the people on this forum. I hope some of you can all learn that keto is different to everyone, but what’s same is that we’re all more or less in ketosis the majority of the time. So I am actually sick of some of you guys since previous posts, including being compared to an ‘alcoholic’ and the amount of judgment on things that don’t work for you but may work for others.

I have been patient with many of you and this forum, but it is time for me to say goodbye. And please don’t try to tell me things like ‘oh, the other forums will be the same’. I want to say thank you to the people on this forum who have encouraged me and never felt the need to attack my thoughts on carb blockers or want to ‘correct me’.

Also, when I say trigger, it only applies to this forum due to previous posts I’ve made regarding carb blockers. Unfortunately guys, we just didn’t gel. And one more thing, human opinion is really the lowest form of knowledge for it requires no accountability, responsibility whatsoever. It’s cool to share your experience and that’s what I usually refer to by ‘sharing your thoughts’ because experience is important, but idgaf about your opinions on carb blockers. If you have a good amount of knowledge about phase 2 kidney beans and have actually taken the time to read the research articles about it, you would know it’s ‘real’. There is a fine line between projecting your experience on others and sharing your experience to others.

So long.

(Jane) #25

I didn’t see any of your other posts on carb blockers - just this one.

You gave no data and asked for responses so of course you will get opinions - duh.

What carb blocker did take and how much? What was your glucose and ketones before and after?

If you don’t know the answers to the second question you are doing the exact thing you accuse posters here of doing and flouncing over it. Good luck.

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(Megan) #26

Sophie has a point guys. Sometimes some ppl need to calm the farm a bit. Nothing wrong with expressing concerns regarding some peoples’ choices, and definitely nothing wrong with sharing experiences and sharing any scientific data you have read, but do it from a place of knowing you are talking to another adult. An adult who has every right to think and believe what they currently are, and choose to do and not do whatever they want to. A lot of people are here to learn, as well as get encouragement and support, but learning and changing is a process.

Just my opinion.

(J) #27

I’m still trying to figure out who are the offenders. I just saw a general response holding an accusation. It’s difficult for me to asses who the haters are, I guess. I never desire to be disrespectful, and I fail to see how I was, if so. I am open to correction, but general accusations will not obtain. Cheers.

#28

I think this is just another innocuous case of misinterpretation of tone which can be inherent in typed responses.
One doesn’t get to see facial expressions on here (a huge part of human communication) or inflection of tone of voice, and sometimes, especially if championing a different opinion, this can lead to conclusion of hostility when often the proponent’s goal was actually to help and advise the OP.
Sometimes a smiley emoji can even help asuage that. It’s a weird phenomenon.

I don’t agree on taking weight loss pills either, anymore than I agree with taking amphetamines to lose weight…but i was interested to learn about carb blockers as I’ve never heard of them before.

Hopefully Sophie will come back, and we can all debate together without giving or taking offense.

#29

Well, that was a thing :slight_smile:
Gonna be totally honest here; I do love me the occasional bit of pointless internet drama!

'Cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all need it too, don’t lie

#30

we all did pitch in as you requested.

(Megan) #31

Did you even read the 1st post in this thread Fangs?

It’s such a bloody shame, it was actually an awesome posting. Sophie is thinking about how to sustain a long term keto lifestyle. She has an idea and tries it. She discovers eating those carbs was a real anticlimax. She was expecting to feel elated eating foods she used to love and instead it it felt like a normal day, a real let down by the sounds of it, and as a result her thoughts on carb blockers and cheat days are now completely changed. She said she guesses she doesn’t need them anymore.

How freaking awesome is that?

The thing she was asking if anyone would like to pitch in on is why she didn’t feel elated, why it felt like a real let down eating them, what’s going to in her mind and body that has caused a decrease in her want for carbs.

I hope you’re still reading Sophie and decide to keep posting. This can be a difficult medium to talk in like Coop says.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #32

I notice that the phrase “hate for carb blockers” was first used in post 7 of this thread, but I am at a loss to see what in posts 2-6 prompted that.

This is not the first time that someone has been offended by responses on these forums, however, so it might be useful for us all to ponder what we might or might not be doing that leads to this

(Sophie Wu) #33

I am actually in tears reading your post @MeganNZ. I have been monitoring the posts throughout the day, hoping to myself that maybe there will be someone who understands because as a human being, I want to be empathised with as well. Just as you have stated, although I still think carb blockers are a viable option for me, my thoughts on it and rewards days have been completely changed. I’ve realised now that if I am in keto for the long run, then there is no need for a reward day because keto is no longer a challenge or goal for me. Like many have stated in this post already, keto is a constant with no goal and that is how it is going to be for me starting now. To me, this was my change and this was my shift in understanding one of the core significances of keto and finally dismissing the previous notion which sees keto as a weight loss diet.

Unfortunately, I think I have had enough. I’m sure you will understand yourself as someone who works in the mental health sector that we are people who are good at severing negative connections and setting up good boundaries in life. I only have so much to give in my work to my clients and I’m taking a step back now to reassess how I want to approach others with my personal experience of keto.

You have been one of the most supportive people I have witnessed and engaged with on this forum. I feel very grateful to have at least one person understand, and this was enough for me to at least leave this forum on a very thankful note. :heart:

#34

@MeganNZ, I did which is why I quoted from it. :roll_eyes:
All I saw was a person wanting to keep the carbs. Which one of us never wanted just that and failed at doing just that til we understood alot more? But I think I mighta jumped on a ‘newbie?’

Key being a ‘pill’ one wants to ‘use’ and experiment with is fine but thru experiences OF MANY MILLIONS who have walked this walk, we are saying, and maybe skipping that bit of her ‘hoo-ray’ good for you try’ from me is that as WE TRY SO DAMN hard to KEEP the carbs we lose in the end.

big picture address from me on it all but maybe I overstepped and confused a more newbie person…ok I get that :slight_smile: :slight_smile: I missed that little drum roll I did ok type thoughts from me on this post but in the end, I see big real picture of a bad path going down but not for all, but thru experience I type my posts that way. Advice typed out and if it applies to that person give it a nod and think for yourself on that input and say hmm…for thought for me?.. doesn’t apply think, nope not me, doesn’t give me thought, so just carry on…don’t whine about it. That is how one survives on the internet! Most of us know this too!

Sever your connection with carbs. Simple right? Nope. People giving hard core advice thru experiences and years of understanding others issues towards failures do apply. Sever that carb connection, do that and you got a life moving forward towards a real eating plan change!

How bad ya want the carb ‘cheat days’ back? Only you know this and in your mind you already ‘plan’ to eat crap in the future so you already give allowance, and at some point, the allowances go wild…for alot of us it worked that way. Might not be you but you will find out later of course. Post in 6 mos from now and tell us how it all rolled for ya is the only way to know.

You will find you in that path and I say always from a walk I walked, don’t allow the past back!!! One has to grieve the loss of the past crap foods and not keep trying, in whatever way to have them back! The carbs want back. The crap foods want back. We all know this! But if you are one who can, cool. Chat back a year from now on Keto Plan and then we know, future is never determined but red flags of future failures wane true with many of us from posts we read.

are you ONLY 2 mos Keto or longer? If longer and years into this you wouldn’t even think this but a newbie to the plan thinks of ALL WAYS to keep carbs in their lives. It becomes a focus. How NEW are you on changing your eating to Keto?

---------------OK guys, real hard core chat from me on it. Always trying to understand where the poster is coming from but I think yrs on plan I bypass maybe that emotional connection to posts and see the real deal thru it sometimes…I can watch that a bit more :eyes:

#35

Quite, I never will reach that I am almost sure. But the tiny steps I actually have in that direction, those are cool! It helps not to stray all the time… Or feel we are missing out.
I am sure most of us experienced something similar, maybe not for a looong while on keto or not this perfectly but people can change and lose shackles and this is amazing.

But I understand some of us focused on other parts. Carb blockers are so crazy to me, I still can’t imagine their existence and no way I ever would use such things but I didn’t talk about them, at least. I think.

And some people have their opinion about sticking to carbs as it may or may not be a good idea, sometimes it shows one isn’t free and a part want to go back even if it’s not good, sometimes it’s more complicated and one can handle it fine.
One carby day a month? Unimaginable control to me. And even that isn’t “needed”, that’s super cool. And lucky, maybe. I am almost envious but it’s not hedonistic and I should have power over my diet so I rather not :wink:

#36

good post S!

#37

I don’t know. Not that I am expressing any wish to use them (carb blockers), but I would like to know more about them.
Could they be a viable option, once or twice a year, say, if you were approaching Christmas or Thanksgiving and fancied a few roast spuds with your meat of choice?
I don’t know…because I don’t know enough about them, or how long you have to dose for to make them effective, side effects, contra indications, efficacy etc.
Are they a new drug or supplement?
Is there a generic or a manufacturer’s name for them?
I haven’t googled or looked into them at all, yet.

Remember the substance you could take, I don’t know, can’t remember the name…some sort of fibrous substance, but it actually expanded (slightly) in your stomach causing you to feel full up and thus lose weight by eating less?
I can remember looking into that briefly at the time and deciding to stay well clear of it.
These carb blockers sound a bit gimmicky like that, but who knows?
Examples… Best Fiber Supplements for Weight Loss in 2022 : GoWellness (gowellnessco.com)
Haven’t looked into it yet- doing house chores at present!

(J) #38

It’s y’all’s world. I’m just a squirrel tryin’ to get an acorn. Ain’t takin’ the interwebs too seriously. Cheers to the Carb Blockin’ lovers and “haters” alike, whatever that means. :smiley:

#39

@coopdawg, you kiddin’ here LOL
just research them on the internet…there is great and cons but if one PUTS some darn effort into real science studies from real authority on them they learn real truths about them. Easy to do if it matters to you :wink:

find that magic pill and when ya do…Crikey!! tell me please!!

So agree :skull_and_crossbones:

#40

I only wish my body was as honest as yours. I’m a T2D. A few months after starting keto, a pizza in my freezer was calling to me. I thought one small piece couldn’t hurt. It was thin crust, after all. I ate it and felt great. Two hours later my blood glucose still read 180. The next morning 150.

So I felt fine but my body was paying a hefty price. This is why I asked if you had tested your glucose levels.

Unfortunately for me, I did not get enough info to know if it would work for T2D.

Still, I’m glad your test resolved some issues for you. It’s a journey and I have so much to learn.