Hi All! Been awhile since I’ve commented bc I was just into the sugar and carbs. I went on carnivore on Saturday and then fasted off one day then on. Did great- ketones, lost some weight. Then took a dive into the sugar yesterday and today. Refuse to beat myself up about it. Kind of nice not to do that even though-of course, I was disappointed. I think I just needed to stay on all protein first for awhile instead of going into fast days- too much too soon. So just checking in and always appreciate this group. The weather today in Maryland was one of the best!
Going for another attempt tomorrow on carnivore
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#3
My advice… don’t fast on carnivore when you start. In fact, do the opposite, get yourself loads of steaks and fill yourself up… and then as soon as you get a sugar twitch (you are obviously addicted), eat a steak! And then another one and another until you can’t eat any more.
On carni, it is MUCH more important to stick to the meat only than to be limiting intake. You should not limit intake in any way… eat, eat, eat! Before long, your body will get the idea, your hormones will regulate and then one day (maybe soon), you won’t be hungry at all, and you may just fast for the day because you’re just not hungry. THAT is the way to fast on carni. No forcing. Forcing is dangerous for carb addicts.
MythBuster
(Myth Buster )
#5
I can relate to that
from loads of carbs to fasting is difficult for me.
Pjam
(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat )
#6
A ‘Mind Set’ I like is: (said everyday)
‘I can eat sugar and carbs anytime I like, just NOT today’.
Shinita
#7
I deleted some parts but I have strong feelings about things that were mentioned so here you are. Nothing particularly useful, I just wrote my thoughts, mostly about my own complicated case.
One shouldn’t force fasting ever, on any diet if you ask me 
Except maybe some extreme circumstances.
I still can’t eat when I had enough of meat even if I am very hungry… But I just eat something else then 
Even on carnivore, there are plenty of options. (And I may be able to eat some more meat afterwards, who knows? Waiting a bit is useful sometimes.) It’s possible to be very hungry and being turned off from all carni food but it was rare even for me.
People always talk about keto helping with fasting (I rarely see it regarding carnivore) but it may go either way.
Just being close to carnivore totally killed my fasting abilities (fasting was pretty easy on high-carb, actually, automatic, unavoidable sometimes and it makes perfect sense. as my carbs dropped, it got harder and harder).
The carnivores I know aren’t fasting (I mean EF, not just IF, that’s still pretty normal on any diet) but surely some do. I can’t often eat big meals on carnivore (easy satiation 
sometimes my meals are even tiny!), hence my fasting problems, the two are very closely correlated in my case.
But a big satiating carni meal gives the best satiation so I understand why it can be helpful for others. And keto seems to take away hunger from some people for some reason…
That’s useless if I want it NOW. Not tomorrow, not an hour later, right. Now. Maybe I can wait 5 minutes.
I actually grown out of it somewhere on carnivore I never could wait until tomorrow on keto. Now I often can (something in front of me still leaves me no chance if REALLY tempting and seasonal). Of course, when tomorrow comes, I eat the stuff. It was promised.
So I don’t get this mindset I am afraid I can just hope I lose interest until the next day. I may and it sucks as I will eat the stuff without desire and sometimes even joy… If I expect the stuff, it’s strong. Well I started to grow out of it too and how great that is, liberating.
Deciding on “never again under normal circumstances” (knowing it may be true only just for 5 years, the future is vague) worked WAY better from me, right out of high-carb. I just broke ties with a bunch of food groups. That was liberating too And 5 years later when my desire returned, I already had other habits so they can’t come back for long.
I can give up things I know they are definitely bad for me and/or not so special… And it helps. Knowing I just don’t consider them food anymore, nope, bad idea, no matter how I feel or what situation I am in.
If a real temptation and especially compulsion hits, one easily forget about everything. I ate stuff semi-accidentally, it happened so fast… Rarely as we tend to be aware to bring food towards our mouth but it may happen. I got better at that too but something very deep changes are in order if we want to stay on track, no matter what. Almost no matetr what, probably few can be perfect enough to resist everything.
But I went too deep into this I fear.
So, carnivore on/off? I am very familiar with it though mine is just close to carnivore on/off nowadays, summer is that season. It’s still loads better than no carni at all. it has both disadvantages and advantages for me (I can do OMAD this way. but I will try it on longer term carni, maybe if I manage to skip lunch and/or plan well, I can pull it off? I NEED OMAD, it’s the best for me. I dislike being hungry and OMAD satiates me the best. very convenient too).
I never gave up my EF goals but I think I should be able to do OMAD a lot first… Skipping lunches… And then maybe it happens. Maybe not. I surely won’t force it. I am a natural IFer, only pushed a wee bit for OMAD but really just a tad, I need my body to cooperate. Choosing my food is extremely important. And the timing, of course.
So yep, wait for the readiness for a fast, don’t force it if you don’t have some special super important reason (surely such a case exists somewhere. not in my life but in someone else’s).
And… KCCO? Keep calm carnivore on You go off, you bounce back immediately, still better than staying! We are human. But we can change and we should aim to get better.
(If I go off, I try to keep it keto, personally, it isn’t always possible though for reasons. The human mind is so complicated… I never feel any guilt, what a weird idea if it’s just food but I can feel regret and disappointment. Bad enough. My poor pride. I am smarter than that But not in all states of mind. Probably most people can relate. But we can train, form better habits etc. It takes time though.)
gingersmommy
(Marianne)
#8
In the beginning, I did a 24-hour fast once a week. I did that for several months. It was okay but then I figured, why? The point is, I just didn’t like it. I didn’t find it difficult hunger wise, but it stressed me just not eating. I stopped then and don’t do it other than what comes naturally. Many days that is a 16-8 eating window.
Don’t feel you need to do carnivore, especially if you are doing it to speed your weight loss. I’d ditch the pee sticks or any other ketone measuring devices, too. If you eat less than 20g carbs/day, you will be in ketosis. Pee sticks can be waaay inaccurate and can mess you up because you think it’s not working or you are doing something wrong.
The most important thing that kept me from binging and eating sugar was to eat to satiety. For many months, I ate three meals a day, something which I had never done in my life and during all the times I was “dieting.” Eat ample portions and get enough fat while keeping the carbs low. If you are satisfied and not hungry, it will lessen your anxiety and keep you from eating things that will get you into trouble. If you do feel hungry or wanting to eat off plan, have some bacon, eggs, or cream cheese - something delicious and satisfying.
Good luck.
velvet
#9
All that matters is to stay under 20 carbs. That and eating, eating, eating, and including plenty animal fats. Forget all the stuff they try to sell you, all you need is lots and lots of food.
Remember, you are training your body to switch fuel types - from glucose to fat. That, and only that, is your job. So, under 20 carbs, and plenty of meats, fish, eggs, dairy (look up all the dairy carbs first) bacon, butter and so on. As much as you want, as often as you want, just keep the carb limit.
You will want a LOT at first, while your body starts to switch. This will start to fluctuate and slowly go down as you go. Just flow with it, do everything your body wants as long as it’s 20 carbs or less. It’s your only job.
In time you will eat less and less and skip meals and not feel hungry.
Take this from one who fairly effortlessly lost 130 pounds, and guess where those came from. Yep, big time carb addict.
kib1
(KM)
#10
I think EF has some interesting and potentially very useful health benefits. And sure, of course, it sheds weight very efficiently. Still, I agree with everyone else. Address your carbs first, give yourself plenty of time to adapt and enjoy this new WOE, and then if you still want to, try EF later down the road.
ETA: EF doesn’t really get into those health benefits for 1-3 days. So just not eating for 24 hours really isn’t going to have much more of an effect than the typical IF window.