Genuine Curiosity about Keto & Other Cultures

(Doug) #21

The ones that stay thin and healthy tend to eat less often - it’s common to have only one big meal per day, and they are not snacking, not “constantly grazing.” Yes, some have diets that we would consider stratospherically high in carbohydrates, but they have enough time not eating and enough time between stimulating insulin secretion that their overall insulin levels are okay.

#22

That was brought up previously. Thanks. :slight_smile:

(Running from stupidity) #23

Nobody post in case something was mentioned earlier, I guess.

#24

I’m sorry my stating fact might have hurt your feelings. That wasn’t my intention. My intention was to avoid duplication b/c it was wisely mentioned earlier. When I read forums I enjoy fresh content. Not duplication in a post, which was my intended direction. And I thanked you.

Have a nice evening.

(Jane) #25

Well then - we should all conform to your rules and preferences of posting so YOU are happy!
:roll_eyes:

(Jane) #26

Amen. I am around a lot of Europeans and their conceptions of Americans are annoying.

When we walked over 19,000 steps (almost 8 miles) in one evening in Shanghai they turned and asked the only American in the group if I had trouble keeping up. I laughed and said no, even though at 5’ 2” I had to take 3 steps for their every 2. They grinned at me. Not going to let them know it irritated me.

And I DIDN’T have trouble keeping up. Pre-keto and 35 lbs heavier I would have been miserable but stoic. I wasn’t even sore the next day.

(Consensus is Politics) #27

:zipper_mouth_face::man_facepalming:t2:

(Running from stupidity) #28

LOL, as if. And your passive-aggressive pretend-apology didn’t hurt my feelings either.

Also, I wasn’t the poster.

Also also, on forums, I prefer it when people give some vague indication of what they’re replying to, rather than just lobbing comments into the stream with no quotes to show what it is they’re talking about.

HTH.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #29

By and large, their diet is very low in sugar and refined grains. Their traditional fats are low in polyunsaturates. People from those cultures who add sugar, refined grains, and/or seed oils to their dietary soon begin to develop the diseases of the Western diet.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #30

It is worth noting, however, that the diabetes epidemic in the U.S. began in the second half of the 19th century, about 20 years after the sugar industry began to take off (post-Civil War), and the price of ice cream, soda pop, and candy dropped to within the means of the average American. Tucker Goodrich claims that seed oil was the true problem, because of how the lard supply in the U.S. was adulterated with cottonseed oil, starting around the same time. Crisco and other “vegetable” oils did not begin to be marketed until the early 20th century, but the rise of sugar and the presence of polyunsaturated fats in the diet would not have been a good combination, in any case.

#31

I guess I’m not allowed to state facts or my opinions. :roll_eyes: Please… be my guest. Repeat ad nauseam. :v:t3:

#32

It wasn’t pretend. But only a passive aggressive person would have assumed my actions.

And ‘as if’ ??? Are you Cher in Clueless?

And frankly, I don’t really care what you prefer. :woman_shrugging:t2:

(Running from stupidity) #33

Forums are communities. It’s a REALLY good idea to learn a bit about them before marching in and making stupid and hypocritical demands.

(MooBoom) #34

We seem to be getting a few new users lately, who ask some very innocent seeming (but in reality are totally loaded) questions. Then they are aggressively polite yet unreceptive and argumentative about the responses they receive, making ever more demands for ‘evidence’.

They all seem to be pushing a ‘but why are carb’s bad?’ asked with big wide innocent eyes agenda.

Vegan Sea Lions at play is my guess- shout out to @anon2571578 for educating those of us who saw taintmueslix’s potato fast thread (now deleted) on what a sea lion troll actually is.

#35

I’m from Slovenia, my mom is Slovenian, father Croatian, so I have a little experience with Slovenia and Croatia (I have Bosnian and Serbian friends and I think we generally fall under the same cultural bucket (you can take us out of Balkans but you can’t take the Balkan out of us ;)).
Last year, Croatia published an article that 60% of their kids are overweight.

We grew up with home cooked meals and quality lunches in kindergartens and lower+middle school. Carbs yes, but we had breakfast and warm lunches, nothing processed, real food. Kids are still served the same food and thankfully, we haven’t figured out that chicken nuggets exist :wink: High schools are different, they usually don’t have kitchens, so it’s quick bites, samdwiches, junk food, etc.

So what changed? Globalism :slight_smile: I remember my dad bringing chocolate from Austria, Germany, etc, it was a rare treat, we just didn’t have junk-food options. Now we have almost eveything the rest of Europe and USA has, addictive junk food with a side of a triple-chocolate bar. We came home from school, threw our backpacks in the corner and went outside to play until our parents begged us to come home and have dinner together. Now they go straight to the computer and eat junk food: the social dynamic has changed, people work longer, we have access to food that makes us fat and it’s the easiest, quickest, tastiest option. Chocolates and candies are seen as a great way to treat kids and Milka+Kinder do a great job with advertising.

Lchf is gaining some momentum here, but you can’t get through to elders with T2D and tell them not to eat potatoes, or my Istian friends’ grandpas to put that pasta down… we still have a long way to go. We have the same issues with nutritional guidelines as US has.

(Bunny) #36

THE LAND THAT DEATH FORGOT: “…Type in the latitude and longitude for longevity, and you’ll arrive at Iceland. Here’s why?

My Speculation: Lot’s of fish and marine life (DHA) in the diet, very low to no sugar in the diet, limited grains, starches and cold environment or cold thermogenesis CT adaption (…they burn carbs as soon as they eat them; more BAT) = Longevity?

#37

Not everybody is carbohydrate intolerance. Based on recent figures about a quarter or a third of the American population is fine with carbs, that’s obviously no consolation to the majority who are not fine with it!

There are physiological differences between races. It seems Asian people can tolerate carbs / insulin better than most.

I’ve seen lab rats fed impropssed grain based food. They were all reasonably lean, then they gave half of them processed grain, it was exactly the same food the only thing changed was processing versus no processing. Perhaps needless to say they became three times the size of the others. Interestingly (and very sadly) the machines used for processing were the same ones used to process human grain.

Have a look at the diabetes rates in countries like Vietnam. Natural rice versus modern processed rice.

I also do not believe the ketogenic diet is the one and only “loophole“ possible.

(Bunny) #38

One little note about high carbohydrate tolerance would be up to a point, those processes will eventually stop working correctly when all the internal mechanisms cannot handle the high octane fuel being injected into something it was not designed to tolerate…

(Doug) #39

Very good point. Eat enough carbs, often enough, and the system almost always will start breaking down.

We’ve given the world a vast array of good things too, but yes - labor saving technology, climate control, etc., have really changed things. What percentage of kids walk or ride their bikes to the library anymore? :smile:

As far as activity level and weight gain, for me there was the time before I got my first computer, and the time afterward.

(Bunny) #40

Star Trek==>Altair 8800==>Commodore 64==>http://line-mode.cern.ch/www/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html

Lol