Food stockpile in case corona virus comes nearby


(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #196

Peace to everyone in these trying times. Canned and frozen meat. Some fresh meat for this week. Salami and sausages also. Lots of canned fish but that is normal for me. I eat stinky canned fish almost daily. Extra cheese. I can eat beef every day but my other two keto family members like more variety.

Meds in case one of us get sick. Saline nasal spray, Tylenol, ibuprofen, DM, Mucinex etc.

1 box of wine and some carbs for the one non keto person. Cleaning supplies, extra soap, things like that.

Alton Brown showing the proper way to wash hands. Warning there is a gruesome visual joke at the end when he says there is only one way to make sure hands don’t have viruses.

Again peace and prayers for all :pray::pray::pray:


#197

Went to Walmart Sunday afternoon, just out of curiosity, to see if our area was dealing with the same sort of bare shelves. Yes, for canned goods and paper goods, OJ, eggs, and frozen pizzas. Everything else seemed to be fairly normal. The cashier explained, we have all the product, but can’t get it out there fast enough. Well…it’ll be awhile since they now close at 11pm! The overnight shift did all that stocking.

Off to work this morning. It will interesting to see how things unfold. The additional cases being tested for in Michigan should have results today. Happy thoughts and blessings to you all!


#198

Oh. This thing just made me desire to lose bodyfat more (well, I surely have way more you do, it makes some difference indeed)… As a smaller body needs less energy, it’s not that wasteful. I don’t worry about lack of energy, you see. It’s super easy to stock up enough calories to last a year or two… We surely have enough for quite a few months any time and several months if we use it sparingly and lose fat in the process (maybe muscles too but we have not very much to lose and we actually want more… but survival is more important).
Protein and the other various essential nutrients are another matter but it’s still not very difficult to get most of our needs from a good food supply we can get now for a very, very long time.
I probably could fast easier than the average person but I still prefer eating and as getting nutritious food with a big shelf-life is very easy (not necessarily my normal staple food but still, nutrients will be there and I won’t actually suffer eating them), I don’t see the need for long fasts at this point. At least for people like me who have big enough space to store food (and no one will eat up my precious supplies needlessly).

I will look up our supplies, I am curious a bit. I only know we have 20lbs of millet, 14lbs of xylitol (and 2 lbs of erythritol), the virus has nothing to do with that, it just happened but it’s not the normal amount in this household, there was a mistake and circumstances… Whatever, they will get eaten for sure before they spoil. The other things are not much, just the usual amount but together it must be enough for half a year if we lose our very unnecessary bodyfat in the process.
We definitely have some staples we only store enough for a few weeks. Probably because we use a big amount of them and we only use the cupboards to store all our food. Except the millet and the sugar alcohols (about 14lbs of xylitol), they are in a cardboard box, we have too much food to store properly right now. But we could store much more in boxes or just on top of each other.

I will write a list and stock up in the next month, I think (just a little more, I don’t want my living room to become a storage room). And then we don’t need to buy much carbs for months… :smiley:
But eggs and vegetables, if we can’t buy them for more than 4 weeks, that would be hard. I can be creative if it’s about my food, really but certain things are practically irreplaceable.
My SO has way more staples. Give me eggs and meat and I can be fine for long in necessity, I am sure of it. My SO would get totally miserable without huge amounts of chocolate, raisins, rice or millet (preferably both), rice flour, various fresh fruits, even bread (he lived without it for some years but that was before Marmite) and at least a little cheese, all must be present every week. He probably would miss eggs when I decided all the eggs are mine… That would be an interesting experiment, though. My empathy vs my selfish greediness! No, I can imagine the result. I probably would feed him eggs as I am that nice, 1 for him (or even an extra white or two), 10 for me. Or 20, it depends how well he handles that… I eat most of our eggs normally too, I love and need them way, way more. His plants are probably pretty nutritious to begin with but he can have as much meat as he wants (it never was much anyway). Just not too many eggs if we have a little supply.
Of course, he eats whatever he wants and able to. He just always let me control the distribution of the not carby part of our food just like he controls the carby parts even when I cook with them. Not completely but pretty much. And I know more about nutrition and make sure we eat well enough, I am the main cook.

Oh. It never crossed my mind before. It’s not only we in this forum probably eat way better than the average person and our body can handle problems better due to less burden… We know more about nutrition, even me who never watch videos, just read some articles with my around zero Chemistry knowledge. Just in average, to some extent, I don’t imagine keto is instant goodness, it doesn’t work like that. And it surely helps when people stock up and don’t go out and eat whatever they have. Even if it’s not very long term, our body works way better if we eat right. And we feel differently mentally, emotionally too.
And I’ve write about it before in some topic (I don’t always even notice which coronavirus topic I am in), if someone is willing to do keto, especially for health reasons, that person surely focus on their health anyway and willing to do more steps, even if they aren’t super comfortable and usual.


#199

I use multiple pages and now I finally compared numbers. Early yesterday and late today, it seems.
I focused so much to my country and just looked at various numbers of the countries at any given moment. And the only page that showed the new cases has older data but the map has the new ones too.
The last day… Even the last half day… And it’s just the beginning, kind of.

:scream:

I saw the biggest numbers staying the same for hours (surely they will update them later, some countries mostly sleep and whatnot) but US goes up like crazy now. Oh my god. I don’t know anyone personally there but so many nice ones online. And anyway, it’s about people, that’s enough for me. I felt sorry for Italy all day, it’s more countries now (tiny European countries with almost that many new cases, that sounds even much more serious, they obviously can’t have nearly as much equipment and staff and the total number of cases is bigger too for now. The future numbers matter most but no one can predict them).

Best wishes, everyone.


(charlie3) #200

I started this thread about 6 weeks ago speculating about a food stockpile. Turns out I did pretty much what is in that first post with refinements. I’ve got enough beef and fish in the freezer for 30 meals. I’ve got more than enough olive oil for 30 days. Then I’ve got a month’s supply of heavy cream and coffee, 18 days supply of eggs. It looks like fresh vegetables can be stretched to 10 days so plan to shop then. If anything is not in stock there’s no worries for another 10 days minimum. If things get really crazy there’s always the 6 pounds of peanut butter.

State officials paint a grim picture compared to the Feds. I’ll shop, take walks, that’s it.


#201

Today was a weird day on the retail and pharmacy fronts.
Retail end of things…No milk delivery. 2 days late. People are buying out the Fairlife (Long shelf life) milk now.
Completely sold out of eggs. Got a shipment this morning, so we’ll see how long it lasts.
Almost every single customer bought either cough syrups, vitamin C, EMergenC, Zinc supplements, cough drops, or cold meds.
“Social Distancing” signage up now.

Pharm just flipping busy. Folks trying to get 90 day Rxs. to avoid coming out. It was crazy. Got a day of tomorrow so I’m going to go through my home inventory, and see what else we might need or want.


(charlie3) #202

This is a situation where people believe they may need the option of staying home for 30 days or more. That would be a lot of food for a family of any size. Once the veggies are gone I could go carnivor + peanut butter and hold out for weeks longer but I’m not planning for that to be neceessary. The grocers and their distributors claim they can’t be overwhelmed. I’m betting they are right.

P.S. Now i hear CA governor predicts in the coming weeks half of the population of the state will be infected. Sounds like a big earthquake event.


#203

This thing is getting ready to get crazy. I don’t want to scare anyone, but look for mandatory “stay in” orders here shortly. Got to go that route to keep people in. Too many states (not mine) played this thing off to keep the money flowing (looking at you Florida and your spring breakers) and that is going to make this thing spread much faster. We have pretty much closed everything but the Wal Mart, grocery stores, and pharmacies in Kentucky and people still flock to the Wal Mart like its Black Friday. The governor here has been pleading for weeks to keep distance and limit interactions in groups. I’m in for the long haul right now. Plenty of meat in the freezer and enough personal items to go for a while.

Looking back at the thread the only thing I regret is not getting more hand sanitizer like I said I would three weeks ago. I had quite a few bottles, but eventually it will run out if it can’t be replinished. I should of made a few more trips to the dollar tree considering I started stocking up on it in January. I have plenty of hand soap but I like the kids to use sanitizer because it probably gets the job done regardless of a effort.


#204

Chest freezer is now full of meals. We had a bit more time here and it’s autumn, so lots of veges just harvested. fresh food converted to frozen meals.

Just had notice that the first community spread case has been identified in our rural area. As the medicos know, that is a snapshot of the infection status 5 to 14 days ago.

@charlie3 thread, this thread, has been a real help in our preparation here. I thank you again.

The people who denied and scoffed at my caution are now scrambling to respond. The likelihood is that their panic buying will now get them infected with supermarkets the likely place most people will go. I do sympathise with them. Many of them will have some cold and flu symptoms as a result. They have turned inward and selfish as they try to gather their resources. The benefit of having started earlier is that resources are under control and that allows those more prepared to face outward again and be able to help the community and support the most vulnerable.


(Doug) #205

In the U.S. state of West Virginia, the bars and taverns were closed earlier this week. Now, beer and liquor deliveries, being deemed “non-essential,” will stop too. Lots of home-brewing and distilling is starting up…


(charlie3) #206

Then deliveries should be stopped on cigarettes too, right? Let’s stop deliveries on everything we don’t like. I vote for stopping deliveries of junk mail.


(Doug) #207

Charlie - yeah, one would sure think so. I was talking with a few of my co-workers here (West Virginia; last day I’ll be here for a while - going home to the state of Georgia tonight to isolate with my wife) and no booze or cigarettes would darn near mean a revolution. :smile:

That said - the numbers thus far in the U.S. are not encouraging at all. My opinion - a vastly greater and more pervasive lockdown is coming, and should have been done sooner.


(charlie3) #208

Unexpected important problems are coming up. Found a news story about food distribution here in Michigan complicated by too many people staying home. That might trigger more hoarding. I’m considering whether I miscalculated. May be food will be scarce after all. My plan is to shop Monday morning, wonder what i’ll find.


(Scott) #209

I am seeing shortages in South Carolina but I feel that is mostly related to panic buying and hoarding. I have not done either and have enough to get by so I leave the rest on the shelf for others. We need to avoid getting sucked into this panic buying. If the distribution system is intact, and it is, we will have an ample supply.

I story I heard yesterday made me feel good. A shopper was able to find a case of TP and opened it. She removed one muli pack and was leaving the rest for others. When another women came and started to pick up the entire case she said “no”. She than stood guard over it and gave one to each person in need including the greedy woman until all was gone. That is how we need to behave to get through this.


#210

Word on the street is Michigan will be in complete lock down soon. Hubby took the rest of the day off work, and is picking up pet food for the doggies and kitty- just in case Tractor Supply closes. I’m gonna guess he will get some of his hay-making supplies as well, should this whole thing last longer than we think.


(charlie3) #211

I went to the local Kroger looking for a few items. No eggs, the important one. The meat counter was entirely empty (I wasn’t shopping for meat). Three other items were available. I was told eggs should be in stock today so I’ll go out again and check. Turns out I can probably extend shopping from every 10 days to every 12 but for that too work everything I’m looking for would need to be available otherwise I’m out more often anyway.

This was the first shoping since bars and restaurants, etc. were closed. So, use my hands, don’t touch my face. Fine, I did those but I get home, time to put the groceries away. Are the items contaminated? I wash a container of cream and the shrink wrap around some mushrooms. Do I wash the avecados? Will that work even if it’s needed? Driving home hands are on the steering wheel and controls. Am I supposed to clean all those every time I drive the car? Will that even work? I’m not optimistic about me or almost anybody being really effective at avoiding infection if you have to food shop or even if you don’t.


#212

As of midnight tonight, MI is closed. Given the way the numbers were progressing over the last few days, the gov could have looked at other similar states, projected how MI was going to go, and closed a few days earlier. My personal feeling is she wasted precious time.

As for shopping, I do it before or after work. In my work clothes. Then peel off my outer layers, throw them in the wash when I get home. I keep a big bottle of hand sanitizer in my car, and clean the stick and steering wheel. Lysol spray to disinfect. Just do the best ya can!

Heck ya, food is contaminated! Clorox wipes cans and bottles; wash all the produce, and wipe off meat packages.


#213

Charlie! I went through the same on the other side of the world. No eggs, we have to preorder them, as well as medication.

Presume the items have been touched by others.

I wore vinyl gloves to shop and packed the cloth shopping bag. Disposed of gloves before getting to car. I wipe car steering wheel, door handles and controls each trip. My car has never been so clean!

New gloves and off load items on kitchen bench. Remove packaging and dump it for things I can. Freezer will hopefully kill virus on other things. Clean all items before storage. Dump gloves. Shopping bag goes in washing machine.

I then remove my shopping clothes into washing machine direct lid open ready to go. We are washing clothes daily and drying them in sunshine. I have a soapy shower after heading out into the community.

I’m as clean as a courting teenager in a Doris Day film from the 1950s.

Staying home, taking these steps are not for me. I do it for my community to reduce risk to other people’s lives.


#214

Bureaucracies will always be slow to respond. Taking individual action and responsibility as you have is important and eventually the government will catch up, once they get rolling.


#215

I was able to get another pickup appointment at my local WM today. No need to even open the car window. They load from the back and I didn’t have to touch anything except when unloading the bags.

The loader said that their inventories are starting to build back and things are slowing down. He’s starting to see more staples and their delivery trucks have tripled.

I have been trying to pick up some canned veggies and was thrilled that they had canned green beans. When I got home I had 4 cans. Only problem is they were the mega size. Now, I have 24 lbs of green beans. It made for a much needed belly laugh.