Fiber and carnivore

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#41

couple ways to come at this truly. You can ‘find you’ in all this as it suits you.

key being you do Keto and carnivore days you are a ‘Ketovore’. There are many out there combining full on carnivore day eating and other days eating a Keto plan menu food. This is fine if ya do very well on this!

Our physical bodies do require no fiber. Now to add fiber in any form for your thoughts on longevity you must add in plant toxins from that which you are eating. Does the toxins work against your personal body or you do ok on that plant food? For every plant one eats there is a personal reaction. Like spinach would put my guts into a slimey mess and I would be hitting up the bathroom fast LOL for another a bit is fine and they do well on it…so you hit a gray area only your body can ‘prove’ to you.

read this:

I am never saying that some veg won’t work well for your body at all. But this explains why alot of veg never worked for us hitting into carnivore and why we don’t want the veg. Just a read for knowledge and understanding.

There are NO zero carb veg out there :slight_smile: yes very low but see if one eats a cup of spinach at about 1g of carbs only, one must think what ‘else in bad’ form can it bring to our bodies that works against us. I can’t eat it, doesn’t suit me but might suit another definitely.

I think the final is be a Ketovore who walks their day thru extreme low carb day eating to all in carnivore day eating and you will be fine if it suits you well and that is what works best for you. Ketovore lifestyle is absolutely out there and many are flourishing on it.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #42

I believe he’s over six feet (183 cm) tall. Andreas Eenfeldt is something like six foot-seven (201 cm), or close to it.

(Brian) #43

It’s funny how our personal situations give us a context of what “tall” means. I’m just under 6’ myself so that doesn’t give me the perception of “tall”. I also used to hang out with people in the 6’2" to 6’5" range so they’re definitely not “short”, but it usually gets to about 6’6"+ before my perceptions really pick out that “they’re TALL.” I somehow ended up with legs that seem a bit short to me compared to the rest of me and think that if I were proportioned a little differently, I’d likely be a little over 6’, maybe 6’1" or 6’2".

A friend of mine, years ago, was in the US military that was stationed in a part of Asia. He was about 6’2" if I remember, and not someone I would have singled out among friends as an extra tall person, more the upper end of my normal. He remarked that over where he was serving, the locals would think of him as a giant and could walk totally upright underneath his outstretched arms easily, plenty of room.

A pastor type I admire is around 6’8" or so and a former basketball player, which does strike me as “tall”. It’s kind of amusing to see him among his congregation as he towers over many of them. And seeing him along side of another teacher I admire that measures in at about 4’11"… I have to smile when I see that. Both are intellectual giants, at least in my opinion so apparently size doesn’t matter. LOL!!

Your own physical characteristics and who you hang out with sure does impact the perceptions. :slight_smile:

(Bob M) #44

Ted Naiman is actually light, and really not that muscular. His pics make him look muscular, but as someone who used to be a body builder many moons ago, he’s nowhere near a body building body. Supposedly, he weighs the same now as he did when he was a vegetarian, just he has more muscle now.

I’ve never seen him in person, though.

And if you’re lifting, even body weight training, and you have more muscle mass, you can eat more carbs, as they both did. Why? Because those carbs have somewhere (muscles) to go.

Now, Eenfeldt also lost weight (fat) when going to higher protein (and I believe higher carbs). Not sure why.

But again, we often see things through our own lenses: Ted thinks everyone should eat higher protein, and higher carbs but believes it’s bad to eat higher “energy” (i.e., fat), because he (at least believes he) gets benefits from higher protein/carbs and detriments from higher fat. On the opposite spectrum, we have Siobhan Huggins and Amber O’Hearn who eat much higher (animal) fat (“energy” under Ted’s paradigm) and yet get benefits. To them, higher protein is “bad”. (And they are both carnivore, so carbs don’t really play a role.)

I think we each have to find what path we need. And that path might change over time. I mean if you can eat fruit and chug orange juice, and pound honey, and you feel great and experience no detriments, do that. If you can’t, don’t.

(Brian) #45

Bingo!!

(KM) #46

I just thought you might find this interesting in re longevity. Definitely not keto at all, and not really something for this forum, but Longevity Galore. This guy, Bryan Johnson, is Out There. I don’t agree with large swaths of his protocol and his philosophy is also fringe, in fact I’m not sure I agree with any of it, but he just might be the most longevity obsessed human on earth, and my lord, he’s got the stats, numbers (and money) to prove it. And at least for now, every crumb he’s done / researched / eaten / supplemented / exercised is public knowledge, and he’s not selling anything. Yet. He appears (almost literally) to be entirely transparent. Take what you will from it, but Bryan Johnson is something else and maybe somewhere in these reams of data, he’s got some ideas worth a look.

bryan johnson blueprint starter guide

PS: I haven’t “joined his team” and I’m not promoting anything about this, I’m just slightly starry eyed over the amount of objective data presented.

#47

I think our longevity if we narrow it down to an individual carries SO much other weight other than our food intake. Just living near big power lines can corrupt the body. Our pollution levels and cleaning supplies we deal with constantly can destroy our cells and more.

I think humans could easily live well into the 100s with a quality life IF all systems and interactions with life were not so nasty but that won’t happen ever. Our world is a train wreck around us so with great med care, our life span should be well advanced I think, but it can’t go down that way in the planet around us truly. Hell just stress levels alone from trying to make a paycheck and survive take years off so many of our lives :wink:

It’s tough out there! We will never be all about the statement, we are what we eat.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #48

We are such beginners at figuring things out. There was a woman in France who lived to the age of 132. She smoked and drank red wine. How much longer might she have lived if she’d avoided smoking and wine and ate a keto diet? Or might she not have lived so long without the cigarettes and wine? We’ll never know.

#49

I think there was chocolate too? Or that was another very long living woman?

Yeah these are interesting questions. Genetics and mental attitude surely has a huge role…

(Bob M) #50

I think her LDL was very high too, which helped. :wink: (And I’m joking, though probably correct.)