Ferocious Fix February - Carnivore Challenge (Fit it In - Fit in It! ) Feb 2022

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(Karen) #81

Regarding my lovely yellow wall, you put it so eloquently and totally in a nutshell. I sit out there or look out the window and just love what I see and feel calm and relaxed. Some people need greys, blues and mauves to feel relaxed and I am sure don’t believe 9ne could ever feel relaxed with vibrant colours but they just have no idea … it cheers me up … and living on my own I do need a little bit of lifting now and again.

Yes I already feel this community is an important part of my life. It is good to have people to offload or rant to and know they really don’t mind. I think if we did it all the time it could become a bit hard going but the one offs now and again are good for us. This carnivore thread is family :slightly_smiling_face:

Loving your banana plants. I have been thinking about getting one for the garden. My garden is south facing and gets very hot in the summer. Also a couple of trachy carpus for the big planters. No real shade anywhere. The shed offers a little bit of shade but really only in winter when the sun is further south by about 12° and doesn’t rise directly over my garden with it being lower in the sky. I thought my ferns would be able to get established while there has been shade but they are looking unhappy now. As I keep saying it is a learning curve lol.

Thank you for you lovely post. Bet your cats love that enclosure … I know I would love sitting in there with them. :slightly_smiling_face:

(Karen) #82

A better night’s sleep last night, still had a number of wee trips but got back to sleep straight away on return to bed. Stair runs done first thing, no CF because it would have been a more weighty session. I am booked on tomorrow’s class.

Brynch around 11am was cooked chicken reheated 8n the frying pan in some leftover fat from ??? I don’t know what animal lol but it was nice. No melted cheese 9n it but did have a bit of cheddar after, dinner was a small thing sirloin steak and 6 rashers of bacon. Now just having a tad bit of ham.

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Sorry i ate the other meal before thinking about a photo.

A bit too cold outside for me today which was just as well as it meant I didn’t mind getting on with some cleaning and clearing out rubbish from my front bedroom. It is a room I use only for the dresser as it is in front of the right window to see when I am doing make up or tweeting my brows or getting ready to go dancing. More like a dressing room but totally overloaded with stuff. I am such a hoarder :roll_eyes: however I managed to get a bag for the charity shop, a couple of bits for my daughter, a rubbish bag and a recycle bag lol. Scrubbed the dresser down and the windows and sills and dusted. Nice to be able to see the colour of the dresser again … gawd! Still more clearing to do … more clothes and other bits n pieces. Its dreadful when you’re a dancer and go to all sorts of different themed and different era dances as one collects so many things. I have hats galore for all eras and the clothes to go with them, then there is the pucker gen jewelery to go with it and the shoes! I am sure I could thin it all out now that we’re not doing quite as much dancing but you never know eh?:wink:

Reading all your posts of cholesterol and statins. I didn’t want to be put on statins. When I was in hospital following my stroke the stroke consultant went on a right rant and lecture when he saw I was horrified at the thought of them. I didn’t want BP tablets either but as I have said on a post or two, I started them 7 years ago… just wish the docs had told me to take them at the correct time of day! I had a wake up call with my stroke and i wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Since my stroke one of my colleagues had one and although he wants to return to work the prognosis isn’t very good. He still has serious mobility, speech and paralysis issues. His was about a week after mine, also a Christmas another lady who worked in the prison library had a stroke and died. I am taking the stroke consultants advice to take the statins and the BP tabs at the correct time of day, also the blood thinners. I was the fortunate one, I am still alive and I am fit and healthy and able to enjoy my life… for however long that is. I am still quite vulnerable for the next year. Fortunately I don’t have to pay for my meds being over 60. I don’t know what I would do if I was living anywhere but England as I am sure the cost would be quite high.

Just saying … before my stroke I would have been right with you all.

(Edith) #83

I’m curious, though. I know you have high blood pressure and that was the biggest factor for your stroke. But, do you have high cholesterol, too? If you don’t, what good are the statins? Do they serve another purpose besides lowering LDL? I’m asking this out of statin ignorance.

(Judy Thompson) #84

@Relic53 Oh my, anybody would be happy and proud to see results like that! It’s what we live for. Congratulations! Also, on finding a keto Dr.

@Karen18 in such a specific situation, you have to trust your doc, especially with all the statistics going on around you! You’re amazing, no one can fault you for anything you do.

Beef ribs for today’s lunch cooked sous vide with the shank steak we had yesterday - 135°F, 3½ days, then seared in cast iron a couple minutes per side. By the way I don’t usually cook in plastic bags, I tried that and they can treat and leak into the water, which it seems could damage the circulator. Instead I get those Stash silicone zip top bags. They seal tight and never leak. We love our sous vide meat, it is so perfectly cooked, through and through, and keeps longer in the fridge. And the meat makes its own gel. I used to add Evoo, now just a little ghee or tallow.

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Now I have enough bones to make my 1st pot of beef broth! Any advice for the instant pot? I set it for 3 hrs on soup-broth setting, usually do 2h, but can’t find specific instructions for IP Carni beef bone broth on Google.

(Daisy) #85

I add some salt, a couple chicken feet, a splash of acv, and water just to cover the bones. Soup setting for 2 hours and then warm setting for another hour or two. It’s perfect every time!

2 ribeye steaks. With meal one I had some bone broth jello, with meal 2 I had raw beef liver. I personally prefer my steak either raw or blue rare. When I buy from the grocery store, they are manager specials that are close to being thrown out, so I’m just not personally comfortable eating them raw. I give them a nice sear and Bob’s your uncle. When it is meat from my cow, I typically eat it raw. Personally, I’ve noticed I don’t enjoy raw or even rare lamb, so it’s typically cooked more medium rare. Anywho! Sleep last night was garbage as always. I did take the cortisol manager and it was useless, so tonight I’m going to stop taking any supplements and just go back to my normal expectations of a terrible night sleep :joy:. I do have some Redmond relyte coming next week and will give that a try. I know if I just eat sat, it really makes my sleep worse, but maybe a balance of electrolytes will improve it. :crossed_fingers:
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(Karen) #86

Atrial fibrillation heart arythmia, BP was high and has been so since at least my mid 20’s and cholesterol higher than stroke consultant would like but not so high according to my doctor as I had recently had bloods taken prior to stroke and it didn’t seem to be an issue. Strange thing is that my resting heart rate is always between 47 & 54 occasionally drops to 44 and sometimes raises to 58 which is generally related to high fitness level. But you can’t see whats going on on the inside. Stroke consultant believes my BP was a high contributing factor as the walls of the heart will have thickend over the years.

The pharmacist did say that apparently my cholesterol had been on the higher side for some time and he said he would have suggested statins some time back.

I will be interested to see the readings when they next take my bloods.

#87

It doesn’t make me fat, nope*. It keeps me fat.

*well it had a huge role but carbs were the culprit. I could never eat enough carbs to gain fat so fat was needed as well but even overeating fat was due to too much carbs back then. now I still overeat fat sometimes but not to that extent so I don’t gain fat on keto, I just stall. But I almost always eat too much fat to be able to lose, apparently.

I don’t worry about the +1kg, it will come down, sure. It always does. Even my body can do this tiny fluctuations especially if carbs are involved (it’s so odd carb eating change my weight now, they never did for years).

Oh well, it’s not one of my biggest problems.
I had a bad day again. The usual big problem: I was so, so hungry, for hours and I couldn’t eat enough. In the end I hated all my food (including non-carnivore ones, I can’t handle hunger so I ate whatever I was willing) and still was hungry. But not so much so I grabbed my not first eggy coffee and left the kitchen. And it got better.

I need to solve this somehow. I wonder if there is some super good dense food I can eat almost any time when hungry. I sooo hate making zillion tiny dishes even if they are simple :frowning: I already baked bread and pizza today, I just had no mood to spend even more time in the kitchen :frowning:

I may up the force-feeding level (from the zero I do now… I do eat things I don’t desire but nothing I strongly dislike and don’t want at all) but I hate that.

When will my meat eating willingness come back? I only could eat tiny amounts today and it wasn’t enjoyable at all.

Tomorrow will be better, rabbit stew and PSMF bread, two wonder dish that I am looking forward to eat. I dislike even the special items I practically always liked before.

I have :slight_smile: When we bought this house about 10 years ago, it was full with ~12 year old trees as the previous owners planted a lot. Maybe they had older ones, I am not very familiar with 22 year old linden and pine tree sizes… They are pretty tall.

It’s fun to see what the new trees does. Sometimes they grow very slowly, like my plum trees. I have a walnut tree that was a mere stick (with leaves except in winter) for YEARS.
And I have a probably 22 years old medlar tree that is super tiny and very assymmetric as poor thing is in the valley but at the windiest place without protection. The other medlar tree that is maybe 15 years younger is about as tall (and prettier. we found a better place for that).

I am sad there was a big storm once that killed the biggest tree in this area, near to my property, I could see it from some windows. It was a HUGE cherry tree. Mine is just big, 22 years is enough to make a cherry tree grow to some nice size but that was old and respectable and way, way, way more impressive! It was wonderful when in bloom.

I have many honeysuckle :frowning: They grow like crazy, produce a lot of dry branches (and I need to cut off live ones too as they grow too long and bend and bam, I lost the grassy place next to my terrace), keep some of my flowers bloom (I won’t forget to cut those off in spring! They will grow back in no time anyway. I don’t know why the original owner planted peonies there but I won’t move them) and they may be super pretty when blooming but that lasts only for a little time…

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Yellow is the best color to cheer one up - unless they don’t like it so much. But yellow is cheerful, whenever I read about the role(?) of colors, it’s mentioned. As I love yellows, it may be especially true for me. A nice, not too bright yellow is calming to me.

(Robin) #88

GOOD GOOD GOOD!!! I firmly believe in avoiding the scale… for my own mental health.

I MIGHT weigh myself if I saw my clothes getting tighter and tighter or if I knew I had fallen of the keto wagon… (probably one of those sloooow motion falls, like when you trip and try to get your feet to run and catch up with your head before it hits the ground. Those are the worst.)
Anyway… good for you!

#89

I am wonderful not caring about the scale much - but my weight almost never changes anyway. My 5kg stress gain more than one year ago wasn’t and isn’t nice but I don’t get shocked even in such a case (just surprised. it was the first time in my life!!! well it took a BIG shock… simple stress does nothing to my weight, appetite or anything similar. not like my appetite has much to do with my food intake, I hate being hungry so I eat, no matter what. a VERY bad mood triggers a fast but it’s some epic horribleness I automatically avoid even in dark times. it’s damaging for a hedonist. I rarely lose my will to eat for a whole day. maybe never).

Oh I will remember to just wait some hours, I am so very perfectly satiated now, hours after today’s mess :slight_smile: I will have this until tomorrow afternoon, I love that. If I got hungry every morning, I would be so, so miserable…

(Alec) #90

That’s funny… I love my scale for my mental health!! For me I treat this weight loss thing (and I do need to lose weight) as an exciting journey, lots of fun, and part of it is measuring how I am going. I love getting the direct and immediate feedback that stepping on the scales brings.

Each to his own… thank God we are all very different… :grin:

(Linda ) #91

Yes I’m not totally against statins if I was to have a stroke or heart attack then yes I’d jump on the medical advice…as I told my dr if my numbers were headed in the wrong direction I might also consider them but mine have been continuing to slowly improve and he can’t tell me tgey won’t end up at a normal place except I can’t see ldl ever going low while carnivore…

Dinner was lamb, bacon and sausage strip wrap

(Daisy) #92

It’s detrimental to mine. 2 years on carnivore and I spent the first year gaining almost 15 lbs. lost is back the second year and literally tried everything within the realm of carnivore to lose the weight I already needed to lose and no matter what I do, I can’t lose weight. And I have a good 15-20 lbs of fat still to lose. So when I work my butt off and get on the scale, only to see the same weight or higher than I expect??? Noooooopppeee. Cannot handle it. After a month of strict lion diet, even after I said I wasn’t going to, I got on the scale last week, expecting to be about 7 lbs lighter than I was. It wrecked me to see the number I saw, which was 4 lbs up from my average. I don’t know why I’m broken when it comes to sleep and weight, but it does get frustrating. I’m still going to do lion diet through e month of February but so far I haven’t noticed anything so great as to keep me on it after February. I will go back to my eggs, poultry, pork, and seafood in March. No dairy, except butter and the occasional yogurt. I definitely know that most dairy is not beneficial to me.

(Judy Thompson) #93

Thank you!
Tomorrow is grocery day, it was too icy to go to town today. I’ll get their tray of ‘chicken paws’ and more bony beef for next week. Maybe I can find oxtails! There’s a bag of marrow bones in my freezer but too expensive to just use for broth, I’ll cook and then scoop the marrow, then make the broth.
I suggested a book on Alzheimer’s treatment to a lady I know. It’s a ketogenic and coconut oil cure this doctor used on her husband, and she had good results with it. I read it when Mom was first coming to live with us and then attempted to keep her low carb.
I went to her previous book on Amazon and guess who gave a 5* review of it? Our own Dr. Ken D. Berry!
Here is the book. If I start getting Alzheimer’s I’m doing it

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… Tonight I had 3 soft(ish) eggs with salt and ghee.

(Judy Thompson) #94

Yummy! Tried the beef broth. Just 6 or 8 oz, really hit the spot :yum:

#95

Nutritional ketosis provides brain fuel to an insulin resistant brain to prevent tissue death. I think the challenge for Alzheimer’s sufferers is short-term and sudden diet changes at or after the point of diagnosis. That’s where adding one ingredient, like coconut oil, rapidly supplies medium chain triglycerides (fats) for fast conversion into available blood ketones by the liver.

Sad story alert - not for people worried about mental health issues or dementia.

My dad died from a rapidly progressive form of Alzheimer’s that coincided with a very late diagnosis of Type-2 Diabetes in his mid 70’s. When I took time off work in another state and flew back home and lived-in cared for him for a few months to give his partner some respite (they went on an overseas holiday), he would improve on the low carb ketogenic meals I fed him to the point where we could have meaningful conversations (and get what needed to be said, said). We created art together. He was a very good visual artist, and drank some unsweetened tea or bone broth over conversation. Dad was prone to angry mood swings when fed otherwise. We are big Viking built men, and angry Vikings can be quite formidable. My family wouldn’t listen about my observations and could not believe food would do anything. So, he rapidly deteriorated when he was put in a nursing home by my family and they fed the low fat high carb dietary standards diet. He was non-verbal and eventually heavily medicated as the staff needed to sedate him to feed him etc. Less than a year later he wasted away and died. I read him a book while he went through the last chapter of life. It was horrible.

(Karen) #96

Bless that is very sad and tragic. To know you can see results of his change in diet only for it to ne taken away. It must have been a hard time for you and your dad xx

(Linda ) #97

But how’s your clothes fitting? I know exactly how you feel about the gains though… its not easy seeing the scale going up even worse when some clothes that were fitting are now alot tighter.

I did noticed today though I didn’t want as much food but we will see if that lasts and produces results.
I have also noticed in the past following blake donaldsons plan if i eat 1.5lbs cooked meat, (not really lean meats because they make me more hungry) seems to be where I lose lbs on the scale with out hunger …Also since Dr C didn’t alter my eating this time so I can actually try to keep eating this way for longer and see if it will all come back off. (I’m hoping)
But I too have to avoid dairy well cheese and heavy cream for me cos that also seems to make me gain…

(Judy Thompson) #98

@FrankoBear your dad and my mom were likely twins separated at birth, their stories were so similar. She lived with us for a year and a half and I did my best to provide her with a low carb diet (she wouldn’t give up her potatoes) and during that time, though her disease progressed, we had some good times and made good memories. When she finally went over the edge and became violent, we put her in a beautiful facility with “really good” food. Pasta and pie. The pandemic isolated the patients there for 6 months by which time she was on hospice, not eating, more violent and unresponsive, but I could visit her room once a week and I sang old songs and played uke and she woke up and sang and knew me. Then she got the covid vaccine and died.

The thing I’m excited about now is this lady with early alzheimers is proactive and wants to help herself. I’d love to see her take a stab at reversing the damage.

#99

Oh, I heard the story of Mary Newport and her husband Steve on a podcast; it was startling that coconut oil had such an impact. The part I remember most was her trying to get him into some sort of study, but his function was too poor - there’s a clock test, where you have to draw a clock, and his clock was not sufficient enough to get him into the study.

Mary started him on coconut oil, and his clock tests after that date were much more recognisable as actual clocks.

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#100

On scale chat, it’s definitely my enemy.

I low-caloried my way to ~130lbs when I was younger.

I then fought the same 20lbs or so on and off for about 4-5 years, steadily getting heavier each time, eventually reaching 180lbs which was a tipping point, and then I keto-d myself to great health. I looked great, I was in very small size clothing etc, but I was just over 140lbs.

With the BMI scale in mind, I felt that 140lbs was too near the top range for my height so ‘I must be doing something wrong’ and I was utterly obsessed with getting to sub 130lbs, just like I had been a few years before.

I failed and ended up knocking myself off track in a terrible way. There were lots of factors, but I can recognise now that this was definitely part of it. Needless to say, not only did I not get to sub 140, but I ended up with a 2 at the start of that number instead.

With what I’ve learnt since, I’d say that it’s no wonder I was 140lbs - I realise that I had likely improved my lean body mass, my muscles, my bone density etc, so I wasn’t going to get to sub 130lbs.

Now that I’m older and wiser, I realise that the number doesn’t matter - what mattered was that I looked better and fitter at 140lbs than I did at 130lbs when I was half starved via low calorie.

I totally understand why people would find the scale inspiring - I weighed religiously at the start of my keto journey and it was great to see the number going down.

But it definitely had a negative impact on me in the end. I think sometimes the recommendations and our expectations do not stack with reality.

Nowadays, I go by other goals - size of my clothing, how much weight I can lift, how much exercise I can do without getting out of breath etc.