Wow. Every time I read, there’s more, and I want to answer things, so I wait, and then there’s more!
Since the pound of salmon (without lipase or bile supplements) I’ve had a MESS of bad reactions (cramps, to the point of not wanting to eat at all. Almost had to cancel my guitar lesson lastnight, almost bowed out of playing lastnight - glad I attended both. Up to the bathroom 3x starting at 5am.
About 11 this morning I got hungry and ate 2 boiled eggs with salt. It’s 1 now.
I have boneless beef ribs and beef shanks just out of the sous vide after 72 hours at 135F! They look mushy. It’s too cold to smoke or grill them so I’ll just throw some of them in the cast iron pan to sear at about 2. Hubby will be hungry! But I might not eat much.
Guitar player scheduled to come over and play tonight. With him we play pop. He usually brings deer sausage from his hunts, and cheese, and they eat crackers with that. I’ll see how my tummy’s feeling, I love the deer
@Karen18 how do those tropical plants survive winter outdoors? It must never freeze where you are. I’ve been in England in the winter, I wouldn’t want to be an outdoor plant then
@Fangs yeah I like that little bit of variety that lamb brings to the table! Today was an all beef day though! meal one was burger patties and beef bacon. Meal two was beef ribs and raw beef liver. The beef bacon was
The Date palm only arrived about a week ago and it is for one of my big planters but thats round the corner and catches the wind and as it has been a bit windy recently I was a bit scared it would cause it problems so put it in the terracotta pot to start with till spring (cos its heavy and won’t blow over) and put it there nestled by the wall and patio doors. Thought it would save it from getting too cold when the temps dropped, which they did but only to about -3. Seemed to cope which I was pleased about cos it wasn’t cheap lol. It is all trial and error for me being a total novice. The cordylines are hardier than I would have expected, they have been out about a couple of weeks longer than the palm and managed to get through storms and freezing temps very well. I have been keeping an eye on the weather and if it starts to get really cold which it may shortly if we get snow I may just wrap them in some fleece or something to shield them from the cold. I procrastinated over getting them but unless I give it a go I will never know if I can grow them or not eh?
I saw palm trees in Hungary and we have -20C in every few years… I think I saw some protected with something but it seems they may live somehow.
I pity the fig trees sometimes. They live, that’s no problem but they need soooo very much sun to bring fruits that only the sunniest slopes has a decent chance… All the other fig trees (and I saw many, they are popular… I don’t have one though the south part would offer some chance, at least in some years… This is not the place of the country with the most sunny hours a year but it’s pretty sunny and that part is on the hilltop with only a field to the southwest… But I dislike figs and it would take a lot of space and I have other plants there (lilac and honeysuckle. honeysuckle is impossible to kill without digging a huge hole, I tried. so I just cut the quickly growing branches sometimes as it’s under my red hazelnut. my hazelnuts are flowering now nicely, the red one has red flowers and the green one has green ones. they barely yield nuts but they are pretty. and the red one grew more than I anticipated so I need to cut it sometimes to able to walk through it and the pine there. I can’t cut poor pine as it already has no other parts due to the thuja… the garden was like that when we bought it except the hazelnuts and some new trees. the pine vs thuja problem was present but the odd shaped pine is still very pretty. this is my 4th pine, the other 3 has place though they touch the house. I saw SO MANY horribly places pines, like, 40cm from the fence or the house or both… what do they think, they stay so tiny? they are pine trees, they wont… and they won’t let any sun to the rooms there either… some of my relatives had that problem too)… Oh. So I made this monster text between parentheses again… At least I don’t nest parantheses anymore So, most of the fig trees, not being at the few good places of this country makes a lot of figs and poor things stay green Just because I dislike figs, it’s sad. IDK why they can’t function like the other fruits but they could afford it at warmer places so they are like that.
Interesting that you say eating more carnivore food triggers more weight loss… I am finding this too, and almost immediately. It’s as if the body says “I see plenty of good quality intake, I can spend lots of energy, including fat stores”.
But if I am a bit stingy on the food, I tend not to lose as much the next day. Counter-intuitive, but that’s my current experience.
@Azi recognise this was your quote first…
Cheers
Alec
Karen, your wall is dynamic it catches and reflects the mood and the light of the day, in which you can reflect on your day. It is a wonderful philosophical creation.
Cripes! If you need our special area of community support, where we talk with our mouths full of healthy nutrition, you can write/ talk it out here. You can see Fangsy does. Your combination of physical activity, good food, home pride, family and social connection is inspirational.
It’s supposedly a coastal Mediterranean climate here. From February through to April we move into a season called Bunuru by the First Nations speakers, or ‘second summer’. We get some subtropical humidity associated with cyclone (hurricane) season starting in the tropics way up north. Hence banana plants.
Mrs. Bear and I built a human scale cat enclosure for out 2 cats as part of the homestead. Mrs. Bear does yoga in there and there is also a day bed for reading with a cat nearby. As part of the design we added 2 banana plants. One has has a pup. So, now we have 3. The leaves are so useful as organic wrappers or compostable ‘plates’ (saves on washing up). Plants are useful in a carnivore lifestyle.
If I drop the cream (dairy), that is what I’m on, including the timings with the 18:6 feeding window. Good video, thanks @Fangs.
Today I had an appointment with my regular Dr to get a new referral to have appointments available for Dr C …I had hoped it would go well but nope it did not he does not agree with the ldl being up as ok he wasn’t happy doing the first referral and told me that as the referring Dr he should approve of the thinking of the Dr he is sending me to…and I told him you want me on statins I’m not going on them while im seeing improvement…cywes gives me the choice as its my decision…I told him every blood test I’ve had since under cywes has improved and as long as it continued to do so I was happy…told him my cac score was
0 he told me that they don’t use those any more cos not reliable…
He added a note that he had a lengthy discussion with m on the subject of statins and i had rejected them…
He reluctantly said he would do the referral and wants to see me straight after cywes sees me in 6 months. Along with my next blood work.
So being out and about today his office is just over an hour away …we stopped on the way back about 4pm and grabbed Wendy’s baconater no bun…
Dinner was flanken ribs.
I have appointment in the morning for xray on my arm im not expecting it to show anything… but we will see…
If there is one thing that there is some form of agreement around the whole cholesterol thing it is that HDL going up is a good thing. If your Dr doesn’t understand this, I would say he is not a Dr worth having.
Cheers
A
I had a doc in 2009 who insisted on prescribing statins and I refused. He and his assistant drew circles on a napkin for an hour to try to convince me about good and bad cholesterol (my HDL was 100! I had better than the 3/1 ratio they require.) I took his petscan order and threw it in the trash on the way to the parking lot and never went back. A couple years later a Dr at Walter Reed Army hospital asked if I knew my cholesterol. I said yes, it’s high. But I would refuse a statin. He trapped on the computer for a moment and went to the next question. By now, people know the dangerous side effects of statins, I don’t think doctors push them like they used to. Either way, it is the doctor who works for you, not the other way around. That first guy even said, “that’s the slippery slope we go down when we start prescribing metabolic drugs.”
After a few years of keto, my cholesterol was down by 50 points! I believe it will continue, but not get too low since I’ll never take statins!
@Karen thank you for telling me about the plants. I know they’ll make it till spring just fine. They’re beautiful! What a wonderful environment you’ve built.
Tonight I had the last shank steak. So, all beef today and not as much. Hopefully I’ll sleep better without running to the bathroom 3x like lastnight!
Oops I meant ldl…corrected that thank you… can tell you he had me pretty mad but I kept my cool…every other test i had improved : my insulin my hba1c, my glucose, triglycerides HdL everything my ldl had dropped and total too but not enough apparently…
Linda
In the past I have hit the same issue as you: your Dr wants to put you on statins. Here’s what I did: I said “I am NOT going on statins whatever you tell me. I am making an informed decision not to take statins.” It is these magic words that the Dr is listening for… it means they can’t be held responsible for the outcomes. My doctor simply entered those words into my records.
If you want the Dr responsible for the outcome, then don’t utter these words. However, I believe we as patients are 100% responsible for our own health and we are in charge. They are our expert medical consultant, and we are their customer. They don’t tell us what to do. We decide what to do.
I have explained to at least 3 doctors in the past that I was not going on statins because I had done my research and it was clear to me that the diet heart hypothesis was just unproven and wrong. They just shrug and move on. I am sure they hear this ALL the time.
The Dr’s problem is this: they are TOLD to prescribe statins by the standards of care and if they don’t and something bad happens, they are in big trouble. This is why they do it, even if they don’t believe in it. They don’t have much of a choice but to suggest and indeed press statins.
Therefore, what’s the problem here? It’s the standards of care. Who creates these? The senior medical establishment. What do they have? Large financial incentives from the drug companies making statins. It’s scandalous.
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Alec
I went in and had ‘suspect numbers’ and a failed EKG treadmill test etc. and a heart cath etc. which in the end, I WAS friggin’ perfect and my surgeon said even, WHY are you having a heart cath? and in the end the BS of how this went down on my diagnosis was just a flippin’ mess…I was fine cause it was heart PVCs in the end that were controllable luckily for me thru DIET intake…but the cardiologist still wanted me on statins. Told him to take a hike Ran from those morons and never looked back!
Feeling the best I ever have now, well, til I keel over one day in a nano second and then someone might think, told ya so, but I won’t be around to know any of that HA
I learned about the existence of statin on this forum maybe 2 years ago…? These topics are far from me. I don’t even ever had a doctor (just dentists and optometrists but nothing deeper or more general). Or maybe when I was a baby… But Mom was worried about my health and just didn’t let them to come close to me when it was flu season… Lol.
Of course, I pick up infos and I would never accept statins. Or antidepressants or the like. Not like I ever needed or would ever need any, of course.
My body doesn’t care about my eating, it stalls wonderfully. If I eat little, I lose fat fine but I never eat little. Due to few and usually short exceptional times, I know I immediately loses fat, it doesn’t even matter if I eat higher carbs but I can’t do that anymore. I mean, eating little, higher carb is possible as it’s relative High-carb probably isn’t. I can’t test it as my food preference is very biased but even several years ago, before keto I only could do a few days at most while feeling my body getting into a progressively worse mood. I never could go back after I went low-carb - I never even wanted to, it probably helped - , only for short, intense visits. Now I have short, not intense ones, I even manage to go off and stay on keto now.
And of course, I can gain… Well, theoretically… I need a pretty serious overeating for that (beyond a tiny bump as sometimes I manage that. it usually automatically go back), that requires much carbs and as I wrote, I can’t do that for long even if I go crazy and don’t mind going super off (but I do mind). I don’t even think I could keep up a serious overeating using fat, no matter how not satiating and easy-to-eat added fats are to me… And I am 76kg (still! where is my usual 75kg? maybe tomorrow? that’s my ketosis weight since my stress gain). I never ever could keep up my 80+ kg weight, not even eating sugars and fats galore all the time. okay, I was 10 years younger, I might have changed so I better be careful but nope, I never worry about maintenance (maybe sometimes should but worrying isn’t hedonistic and I extremely slowly gain weight even if I do my best to do so). I just can’t LOSE fat… As I eat too much fat, yep. And exercise little. But I gain muscles now, apparently so I am very patient. I don’t want to eat too little, I want my muscles (But I eat as much as I fancy anyway.)
We had pizza-like things today. If someone doesn’t know my attitude towards pizza yet, I am super choosy. Only the best pizza places can produce something I call pizza. And I probably don’t like them anymore, didn’t test. Mine is just fried bread dough with things on it. Bread in a wide sense (but seems very fitting as it’s very much bread to me) if we include mine
I don’t seem to like sour cream based “pizza”. The crust was fine - and the pork in it overpowered the 28g tuna (half a tin) I had… Last night I got protein hungry, no wonder so ate white-heavy boiled eggs and half a tin of tuna. I prefer my sour cream creamy and I did put some on top after baking but it still wasn’t that great. Okay but not great. But I had something new to eat and it was nice so no problem there.
Ground pork roast is one of the funniest things ever for me now. It has such an odd fluffy texture And it’s a great flour type thing, I badly need those for my breads and whatever. I like airy, drier stuff, I can’t just eat normal meat and egg dishes all the time.
I make a batch of PSMF bread today, I am hooked, great experiments and very enjoyable result I am lucky. People in the PSMF bread thread aren’t nearly as happy with theirs.
Today I stick to carnivore ingredients, I have many options, after all. We will see how great they will become.
The timing things (skipping lunch, no coffee until sunset) isn’t what I do well right now… But it’s fine I suppose. I will try harder later later but I got scared off trying at least remotely hard recently… It can backfire spectacularly.
I stopped tracking again. Stupid thing.
I like your attitude
I trust my own body zillion times more than doctors and even scientific experiments. It’s me, my own, individual, very communicative body.
So agree with ya in that WE know US as patients, but I also know when to listen to a Dr ya know So if real med issues hit I will do research to the ultimate and make movements forward thru their advice, but darn, when meds are handled out willy nilly and actual true reasons for those are not even considered, nope, I ain’t no take this pill person ever…hit the root of the trouble but I also think Drs can’t get anyone to change either…so those guys I guess find the pill avenue simplest to when dealing with patients when told truths, won’t do crap to help themselves.
like my mother in law
told tons of great advice and would rather take the drugs to heaven forbid she changes one damn thing in her eating to help herself. a ton of crazy out there!
Glad you stuck to your guns. (What an odd phrase!) I have had the same doc for 35 years. We’ve had that conversation many times and he eventually quit fighting me and actually supports every aspect of keto and all the health benefits he’s witnessed with me. He still isn’t convinced on the cholesterol numbers and wishes I would take a statin, but he supports me. To be honest, if I was able to tolerate statins (I am not), I would take them and consider it a win win. But I can’t, so I simply don’t worry about it.
Are you settling in to your new old home?
Had a Drs appointment this morning for a follow up to recheck my BP. The last appointment was back in November after which I immediately started very strict keto due to the disgust I felt with what I saw on the scale when they took my weight. I left that appointment and stocked my fridge to get started with keto the very next day. I kept my carb intake under 10 total g per day until I started the January Carnivore challenge with you guys. This morning my weight was 32 pounds less than when I was there back in November. I’ve avoided a scale because I really don’t think that’s the most important thing but o can sure admit that I was extremely happy with myself about that. Icing on that cake was that my BP was much improved. Now I think I’m going to go enjoy a plate full of beef. Have a great day!!
[quote="Shinita, . I just can’t LOSE fat… As I eat too much fat, yep. And exercise little. …
Eating fat doesn’t make us fat…over eating in general does but not because it’s fat its just finding the ratio that works for us and balancing out our hormones…
Your weight gain is probably water weight added in glycogen from your carbier days recently…it may have been lower carb foods but after carnivore days prior it may have been enough to add back your water weight.
Sounds like you have some lovely mature plants and trees. I wish I had been able to keep some of the plants and shrubs I had but I had no where to put them for the period the garden was getting overhauled. Shame but there we go. I am such a novice gardener so its all a big learning curve for me. Fig trees seem to be very popular and I love honeysuckle. I didn’t realise it was an invasive quick growing plant though.
So, most of the fig trees, not being at the few good places of this country makes a lot of figs and poor things stay green 
Just because I dislike figs, it’s sad. IDK why they can’t function like the other fruits but they could afford it at warmer places so they are like that.
a ton of crazy out there!