Feldman Energy Balance question

#1

Not interested in the cholesterol hacking….what (in a nutshell) is he suggesting for a diet since clearly it involves more carbs than most keto diets…

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

Well, it would still have to be low-enough carb for us to stay in ketosis, or else we’d return to burning glucose and storing fat. If, as I believe, poor lipid numbers are the result of too much carbohydrate, then we’d be right back where we started, it would seem to me.

(Bob M) #3

I think he still eats a pretty low carb diet. The issue for people like Dave is exercise. I saw a study once where athletes eating very high carb and low carb were compared. At some point, the athletes eating very high carb got into ketosis, as they had used up their glycogen stores.

If you’re running daily or close to it and/or lifting many times per week, your carbohydrate intake could be quite high, and you could still be in ketosis.

I think his idea is that if you’re lean and concerned about cholesterol, you can lower LDL just by eating more carbs. How much to eat to get to where you want is probably individual, and some people might never get to what’s considered to be “low” cholesterol.

(Joey) #4

Unless he has come out with some new ideas that I’ve missed, my impression was that Feldman’s view of carbs is that they’re good for hacking your lipid test, as @Fracmeister notes, but that this accomplishes nothing of value - unless perhaps you’re trying to pass a screening for life insurance.

As for energy, I thought Feldman’s view of LDL cholesterol - in a low-carb context - is that it gets elevated because it’s pressed into service for shuttling around “fuel” for metabolic energy … i.e., it’s not (likely) a negative health concern, it’s a positive sign of metabolic success achieved through ketosis.

Am I missing something perhaps more recent in his musings on such stuff?

#5

I listened to one podcast where he was espousing eating fruit and more— one of these high energy pitches.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #6

I agree with Joey; the only use for carbs I’ve heard Dave Feldman mention is for jiggering one’s lipid panel results, when necessary, and assuming one is a lean mass hyper-responder. The lean-mass hyper-responder is a certain phenotype, athletic, lean, and with high LDL values. Dave has a standing challenge to anyone who can present data showing that elevated LDL is any kind of problem for a lean-mass hyper-responder on a low-carb, high-fat, ketogenic diet.

(Joey) #7

Perhaps Feldman has a new line of exploration under way? :man_shrugging:

#8

Well he certainly isn’t on the keto train, https://www.jayfeldmanwellness.com/why-not-to-be-a-fat-burner-the-issue-with-low-carb-diets/?__s=3e6jquj9alfq4igcbfji

#9

Jay Feldman and Dave Feldman are two different people, right?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #10

Dave Feldman is a systems analyst who got interested in LCHF/keto and his lipid results. He has become fascinated with lipidology as a citizen scientist. His Web site is https://www.cholesterolcode.com/.

I don’t know anything about Jay Feldman, except that his Web site says he’s a health coach.

(Joey) #11

Ha! That’s a hoot. I assumed “Feldman” was THE Feldman.
Not just A Feldman. :crazy_face:

EDIT: Here’s a quote from Jay F. : “…Because carbohydrates are required for a high energy supply.” [His emphasis, not mine,]

So, yeah, this guy’s either selling something or he’s simply devoid of facts. Movin’ on.

#12

Yes, my confusion is explained. I ran into him on “peak human” podcast and sort of assumed the same.

My bad

(Bob M) #13

The Peak Human podcast has been all over the map lately. And Brian Sanders has been eating high meat + fruit, and eating carbs in the evening, which supposedly helps him sleep better.

(Joey) #14

Personally, I find red wine does a better job.

#15

What does it mean high energy supply? A ton of energy per hour without eating anything? As far as I know, that requires carbs, yep as we can’t do that from fat tissue with that speed (and when we have no excess fat, it’s even “worse”, we just need eat much if I use much energy).
Normal people don’t have that demand though.