Fear

#1

We have been on the bandwagon for 9 months. We eat fresh, organic food. We don’t overload with bacon, animal fats, and butter. Rather we live with unprocessed foods, natural foods. Olive oil, avocado, we eat flax seed, fish and hemp seed oil (2 tbls) with each meal, keeps our fat levels up, and smashes our omega 3 levels. We eat normal meals with supplements. We make our own mayo, tomato ketchup, seafood sauce, bread, cookies. Skip processed foods.

(Richard Morris) #2

You surely don’t have to eat animal fats to be ketogenic. Bread and cookies however will be a challenge.

(Consensus is Politics) #3

The “processed” of processed foods isn’t what makes them bad. It’s how they’re processed. Usually so much extra stuff to keep them shelf stable. Often wheat, or gluten is added to help keep it stable in other ways. In my opinion that is a much worse thing to add than say, that list of unpronounceable chemicals that make the nutrition label for something as simple as a can of tuna wrap around the can.

For a fairly skewed, one sided argument about wheat and how it’s been used in almost everything (I had no idea gluten was put in makeup) see “What’s with Wheat” it’s on Netflix. As I stated, it is definitely skewed, somewhat anti agricultural, but they do bring some science along, and even if they don’t show the science they referenced, they give enough info for it to make it easy enough to follow up on. Like the names of these people from early last century (Kellog for one), and how they did what they did.

Back to processed food a minute. Natural carbs, not any better for you than carbs that have been processed. It’s still a carbohydrate, and that’s it main bad point. Natural or not, it’s still not good for you like some good ol’ saturated fat filled bacon.

(Karen) #4

Intrigued!!
@Stocky61. How is your weight loss? Sorry, that’s my main focus at present.

(Richard Hanson) #5

Fear?

I must be obtuse as I do not understand how the title of this thread relates to the text.

Keto for Life!
Richard

#6

Fear of changing what you believed to be the best for so long? You finally perfected eating? Doing all the healthy stuff but not getting healthy? Don’t be afraid to change! Come to the delicious side!!

#7

My weightloss has been 20 kg :grin:

(Karen) #8

Sounds like your diet is really working for you! I can’t do the cookies or bread (like crack), but the rest sounds great.

K

#9

That is not correct. All carbs are not equal, and they are not metabolized the same. Eating broccoli doesn’t have the same effect on our body as eating donuts.

Furthermore, carbs are not bad (nor is fat or protein good). They’re just macro nutrients. We want to optimize each of them according to the specific needs of our body. Not everyone is deranged, many people have no problem handling carbs.

Lastly, cured meats, like bacon, aren’t as healthy as less processed meats. Or better still, game meats.

(Consensus is Politics) #10

I disagree. Carbs are carbs. Only one exception to this is fiber. It shouldn’t be counted as a carbohydrate seeing as it isn’t processed into sugar.

If I’m wrong, please show me where a non fiber carb is better than plain sugar. They both get turned into glucose. They both spike insulin. They are both unnecessary to be eaten. Our liver produces the amount needed for the few Iran’s that truly need it. A carnivorous diet gives us nearly (I know, only nearly) all of the nutrition we need. Compared to a vegan diet that lacks a lot. Maybe a better way to put that is a vegan needs to use more supplements than a carnivore. Yep, just talking off the top of my head there, but no more so than my Endocrinologist does when I ask her about a ketogenic diet. “No one can eat that way, especially diabetics. It only leads to ketoacidosis”

#11

Without getting into a philosophical discussion, my assertion is easy to test with a glucometer. I’ve tested how various foods effect my BG (which is as close a proxy as I can get to insulin). So I know the impact isn’t the same. If you want more generalized research, Google the subject.

As to the advantages of a vegan diet, I’m not going to get into a pissing match. I know people for whom it works. I even know people who have been able to reverse DM with a low fat, plant diet. Again, if you want more generalized research, it’s been done.

The fact is, our bodies are not the same, our metabolisms aren’t the same, and we can have various responses to identical stimuli. The diet the Stocky61 described is fundamentally sound, although it won’t work for everyone. No diet will.

(Consensus is Politics) #12

My apologies. I sound d rather rude there. It was still pre-coffee. That’s just an excuse, not a good reason, I know. Hence, my humble apology. And definitely not looking for a pissing match, or trying to prove anything. Must have been a combination of early morning, lack of sleep, hadn’t had my coffee yet. Not to mention the step daughter dropping the kids off so I could baby sit and get them ready for school. Too much stress, to little time.

#13

There is no pissing match and Bob you don’t need to apologise for sharing your opinion.
For us its about food being medicine. When we started, we used recipes from diet doctor, and they were overloaded with saturated fats. Not a problem, except for our palette, we just didn’t like the fatty taste. There is no diet that fits everyone.
In my opinion though processed food and the carbs it contains is not the same as unprocessed carbs, say from strawberries, raspberries, zucchini, and all the other good vegetables and fruit versus donuts, cake, bread, lollies, soft drink. Its a no brainer.

#14

Bob, I appreciate your graciousness, no apology necessary.