Fat hierarchy question

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #21
(Vic) #22

So, she became healthy on pork and cream cheese.

Now on the basis of cholesterol result she drops the food that makes her happy and healthy ? For what, being still healthy and unhappy. That makes no sense. The effect of happiness on health should not be underestimated.

I would never go so far as to strive for that last bit of health perfection on the basis of ldl cholesterol result. Ldl doesnā€™t seem to be all that important anyway.

I agree with the list but pork and chicken are higher up in my opinion.

Fish oil and fat would be on top for me

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #23

Brad Marshall explains here the problem with PUFAs:

ā€¦and explains here why physiological insulin resistance induced by SFAs is beneficial:

(Vic) #24

Brad claims that Ketogenic diets are high fat, low in carbs and protein.

There is nothing low in protein about my keto woe, i can assure you that.
Its very high in protein, high in fat. The only thing low is carbs.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #25

I stand to be corrected (@ctviggen ?), but I donā€™t think the precise amount protein matters much, other than some of it might end up as glucose via gluconeogenesis. The significant interactions occur with SFAs and glucose/insulin. Those interactions are controlled at the mitochondria by reactive oxygen species. Weā€™re talking energy use/storage.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #26

Bear in mind also the epigenetic effect of Ī²-hydroxybutyrate, which removes the inhibition of endogenous anti-oxidants imposed by elevated insulin.

#27

Thanks, this is helpful

(Anthony) #28

I think @ctviggen has got the big picture and following that guidance would put you firmly on the right track. If you want to optimize from there I think itā€™s more a matter of opinion and whatā€™s important to you. IE, is stearic acid the way to rank them? Are plant based fats better/equal/inferior to animal? The amount of processing required to make it? It probably doesnā€™t much matter at this level.

What Brad Marshall says about the pork and chicken being full of PUFAs sounds reasonable and is probably true, but Iā€™d like to see some evidence. I believe the USDA tables are old and and arenā€™t accurately reflective of the currently fed animals. Iā€™m sure his pork is excellent, but heā€™s also selling it so consider the source. Full disclosure I bought some of his stearic acid powder, Iā€™m not against the guy and think heā€™s onto something.

@amwassil, Iā€™m pretty sure Brad used the stearic acid because thatā€™s what the original study with the mice used. He then supplemented the butter with it to get the percentage closer to what the mouse diet was.