Fasting is raising blood sugar and kicking me out of ketosis! Is fasting even worth the trouble?


(Mike D) #22

That is not what I said, I could not have been more clear. I said I have 4 more weeks until I hit goal of 8%bf projected based on the mathematics of my past weight loss trend calculated by my extrapolation of extreme deficit of calorie restriction. I will overshoot by about 5 lbs to account for and offset the inevitable regain of approximate glycogen replenishment. I will then start raising my calories about 150 calories a week until my body stabilizes and I reach maintenance homeostasis. I will never quit Keto, it is a life long commitment. The constant state of ketosis has provided me so far with about a 50% reduction in my auto immune disease symptoms, so I believe keto is a constant requirement for me. Once I reach 7-8%bf I will probably up my carbs from my current 15gpd to maybe 50gpd max maintenance lvl. I will drop them lower if inflammation starts returning. I will only increase fat and protein to meet my maintenance calorie requirements.

I am not sure where you came to that conclusion, it is an inaccurate assumption.

(Mike D) #23

Again, this is not what I said. I was very clear about what I’m doing and I never at any point said that I was “quitting”. Attention to detail is important, please go back and re read what I said.

This is how rumors get started> People parroting inaccurate subjective beliefs and confusing them with objective truth.

Yes, calories absolutely matter, as Shinita pointed out. To believe otherwise in the face of contradictory evidence is wishful thinking at best.

(Mike D) #24

Thanks, yeh I am going to start easing more calories back in. I have heard enough of a reasonable case presented so far that I am in agreement my calorie intake is likely too low. I am going to ease them back in though, because I do not want to suddenly overshoot and rebound.

(Mike D) #25

I will start easing calories back in thanks. I am concerned if I reintroduce them too fast I will rebound. I ate 1,200 cal yesterday and will start raising them by about 150cal a week until I hit maintenence in about 4 weeks.

(Mike D) #26

My mathematics ability is really strong. I calculate everything over time, fat, protein, fiber, carbs, sleep hours, blood glucose, ketones etc… I weigh all of my food for precision and only eat what I weigh, even my salt and spices are measured exactly. Not even a squirt of lemon juice goes unaccounted for. I have a “cheat day” about once a month and that is the only meal that is not calculated. Once mapped to a graph I extrapolate those numbers into the future. So far my projections have only had a mean deviation of about +/- 2 days in a month.

Most people don’t do this, so their progress is erratic. What appears to be a manifestation of random chance on the surface, is in reality their lack of attention to detail, adherence and their lack of awareness of their hormonal cycles.

Everything can be calculated and projected if your math is strong enough and your control of variables is kept in check.

(Mike D) #27

I have heard about the relationship between epilepsy and ketosis. The cholesterol/immune relationship is new to me though. I will have to educate myself on this.

(Alec) #28

I am intrigued. How do you control how much energy your body spends?

(Mike D) #30

I am disabled, live alone and my routine from day to day is exactly the same. My physical level of activity is exactly the same day to day. The only variable that is somewhat in flux is my sleep. Sleep loss absolutely has an effect via anabolic/catabolic fluctuations.

Still over time even with the effects of sleep variation can be accounted for and calculated.

I have severe OCD and about the only thing I do not count is my steps. But the number of steps I take per day is roughly the same. I wash my hands the same number of times per day. Drink only water everyday 1.2 gallons to be exact, measure my salt/potassium exactly everyday, so I even get up to pee pretty much the same number of times every day. I have a maid service cleaner come in, so I do not even have that as a variation of energy expenditure.

My life is basically run like one long controlled science experiment study. When someone wants to come in and throw off my diet, schedule etc I do not comply. It makes me impossible to live with, but my dog doesn’t mind. She gets the same biscuit the exact same time of day everyday etc… So I do not even need a clock, because she knows exactly what time is biscuit time! LoL

(Alec) #31

What you’ve described is controlling your movement energy… there is a lot of our energy (I think it is most) that goes into non-movement eg maintaining and repairing our bodily structures. How do you control that?

(Mike D) #33

That seems to be pretty consistent, when your movement energy is controlled. Autonomic energy expenditure seems to be pretty much the same day to day if your heart rate is the same and hormones are stable.

I suspect this is why women gain and loose weight erratically, because their hormones are in constant flux. For biological men our hormones are very steady hour to hour, day to day, so our autonomic energy is very consistent when activity is controlled.

There still is “some” level of variation though. Like I mentioned before when I calculate the projected results at the beginning of the month, there is still a mean deviation of +/-2 days on the results at day 30. Which is still an accuracy of approximately 93.3%

(Alec) #34

How do you know that?

(Mike D) #35

I should say MY autonomic energy is consistent. I will not make assumptions that everyone is the same, but I am confident that men’s autonomic energy expenditure is much more consistent than women’s.

I have my blood drawn every 3 months with, CBC as well as complete metabolic panel, liver function etc. Every 6 months my hormones are checked.

Looking at graphs over time of all this data shows a very consistent metabolic energy expenditure. This is at least how I know regarding myself. On a day to day, hour to hour basis your GKI blood test ratio will show any changes in your total energy expenditure. Mine are stable and my laboratory results confirm this. Until I fast, then everything goes heywire for 36 hours.

But all things being equal if all variables are the same and your autonomic energy expenditure changes significantly, it means either your hormones are unstable or you are sick and not aware of it. Don’t take my word for it though, ask your MD and they will tell you.


It’s definitely not true for the human body, it’s just too complex.
But some people can do it better than others because their bodies are more predictable.

Losing fat and going down to a quite low body fat percentage are among the things predictions easily fail.
We can’t calculate our TDEE either, even if we figure it out as our body is that predictable, it can simply suddenly change. I don’t think I have that but it seems others have. My CO is the thing that wildly varies, my body is all for maintenance.

(I’ve read further.)
But if someone can calculate these things, it must be you, with your extremely similar days… You are a very special case.

(KM) #37

I hope this isn’t insensitive, but your issues have a real potential to provide useful data for people who aren’t as rigorous. I hope you stick around and keep sharing your meticulous N=1 results! Thank you.


You are the exact opposite of me, and yet we both have success.

All I ever count are carbs. Other than that I eat what I want, when I want, how much I want. I lost all the weight I set out to lose and then some (130 pounds). You can’t argue with that.

I assume a good part of this is adapting one’s personal characteristics to managing the diet. Some of us get control by counting, some of us hate that and just pay attention to their body’s responses.

It’s all good, we are all different. The real trick is finding what works for one personally.

(Edith) #39

I guess that makes sense, because you have your body on such a regimented schedule that as soon as you change your eating pattern, your body has to compensate for suddenly not getting its fuel when it thinks it should be getting it.

Like you mentioned above, I think we all have to find what keeps us keto-ing on and not getting stressed. If you did what @SM0oth_0perator does, it would probably stress you and therefore be counter productive. If he did your method, it would probably stress him and be counter productive.

@SM0oth_0perator, I’m glad you seem to have had some success so far. I know if I was trying to solve some serious health problems, I would be militant in my approach as well.

(Robin) #40

My apologies.
You got this!

(Joey) #41

This is a recipe for success for most folks.

The only tweak I’d make to what you’ve described is the counting part. I gave up tracking after about a year of daily logging. Once you know what’s in your food choices, carb restriction gets pretty simple. :+1:


Yep, I eyeball it. :slight_smile:

(KM) #43

Guess it depends how you look at it. Epidemiological N=1 results are Interesting apocrypha, but without hard numbers they often have little relevance to anyone else. I appreciate what is in effect a randomized control study with hard data, even if it’s from / about one individual.