I agree. We shouldn’t eat things “in moderation” but in the right amounts and that amounts is sometimes zero or as little as possible. Oh and the latter is often less than what people think… So “oh but I can’t help eating zillion grams of carbs every day” just isn’t true - or if it is, okay, their funeral after some suffering… I am not disciplined BUT if it’s about my health so very much, I could sacrifice a lot let alone changing my woe drastically (that wouldn’t be a real sacrifice as long as I still can have a nice woe. I can’t do it without a very good reason but if there is motivation…).
I still believe people just don’t care about their health as they don’t want to lift a finger for it. Okay, maybe visiting a doctor and popping pills. But more? Nope. Or even if they change their woe, it’s just too little! A relative of mine has diabetes, obesity and yeah, she eats less sugar and white flour but that’s about it. And it’s not enough.
Everything in Moderation
very true, spread that word and some are gonna jump in and change and others it will be in one ear and out the other. Cool and it least some of that word is out there to better health!
Shinita,
Thanks. I am sure some of us (certainly, I am one of them) can proudly claim, “I have reversed my diabetes!”. Can anyone else, who is currently fully diabetic and is doing “everything in moderation”, will ever be able to make such a claim?
This thread brings two delightful sayings to mind:
“All things in moderation, including moderation.”
“All things in moderation, except moderation.”
Such advice is priceless, in moderation 
It always intrigues me that people connected to a newly-sober alcoholic will advise drinking in moderation—when he or she would not be an alcoholic in the first place, if moderate drinking were an option.
The same with carbohydrate addiction. If moderate carb intake were an option for us, we wouldn’t be hypertensive and diabetic cardiac patients!
This topic always makes me want to tell certain people to take a moderate dose of cyanide—or strychnine. . . .
I’ve seen people on Twitter who claim they have done this. I think certain people can do this. Not many, though. But it depends.
I bought this book:
In it, she has a 10 question quiz to see how addicted to food you are. I scored zero, though if she had “sometimes/maybe/rarely” in addition to yes or no, I might have scored a bit higher. 10 was the highest, one point each question.
I think a lot of that is because I started body building when I was 15-16 (57 now), and starting treating food as a tool. A tool to get bigger. So, even back then, I was going on all tuna diets, high protein, and – sadly – low fat. Then went on Pritikin (very low fat). Food was a way to meet whatever goals I had at the time.
But even I have a hard time controlling myself with certain food. Put an ice cream cake in my freezer, and I can avoid eating it with zero issues. Give me a piece, and I’ll eat two, and want another…
I absolutely agree but most humans in life WANT foods in their day to day ya know…as in find me the best of the best moderation against too many carbs WITHOUT interrupting my food desires in life.
Many can’t go Keto or ever into something like into zc…heck many can’t even do a ‘moderate lower carb’ plan but again, some can do it. My mom is 93 and eats carbs and is healthy as a horse mostly and in the end, she moderates. She is one who can have 1/2 a cookie and done. She is one who portions out her plate for meals and once eaten, done. Never had a weight issue. Never had any disease ever to handle so there are unicorns out there…but also my mom DID not eat the ■■■■ food that is processed today ya know. She grew up on real food, there was no fast food places on the corner or 10 grocery stores with shelves packed with boxed foods so? Maybe it is more today vs. older days and literally boils down to the quality of our foods. I really that is a key factor.
Boils down to convenience, lifestyle and quality of our current food out there. I think many can’t walk from that convenience and take control of eating real food vs crap. The crap tastes SO darn good and is designed in labs for just that.
Congratulations, And I agree, ‘moderation’ has no place in HEALING/REVERSING health conditions. People who promote moderation want the best of both worlds; It does not work that way. One can either reverse and be on a journey of healing, or be propped up with medication for as long as she/he does not come to her/his senses.
very true for some. not all but key is what health issues does one face they deem ‘ok thru a pill or shot’ such as diabetes or other med issues thru a pill and what they want personally in life? We can’t change that ever! For anyone! Sad but true.
My mother in law back in the day, the Dr said if you eat right you won’t go on diabetic pills, nope. If you don’t change and not eat the bread and sugar crap you will be on shots. Nope. On shots. From 70 to now she has been medically trashed and not living any quality of good retirement life cause the failure is imminent and coming as it is for her… Now at 80 she is falling apart…all sugar related thru circulatory and kidney disease issues and eye issues thru diabetic stuff so…she was given ALL the info and I chimed in to 0 avail…so…at best we say live and let live and the big pharma will always have people paying for those convenience meds til that day, when the body says DONE and they wished they had?
but hey, life moves forward very fast now, so do you as you must do ya know…give out good advice and if it sticks it sticks, if it doesn’t, then? it is what it is out there in crazy land
The fly in the ointment here, so to say, is individual variability. Some folks are lucky either specifically in the genetic and/or some unknown ‘cosmic’ factor. Examples of such folks get trotted out whenever anyone makes a generalization, even if scientifically validated such as eating a high level of carbs will result in metabolic dysfunction for most people and eating keto/low carb will fix the problems for most people. Immediately follows the response - “Well so and so ate Hershey’s chocolate bars every day of her/his life and died at 95 years of age in perfect health”. And that singleton example is used to invalidate the scientifcally validated generalization. There is an ongoing discussion here about the long-term validity of keto based on evidence of longevity in some people who do not eat keto. It’s fine - and for that matter scientifically sound - to question everything and demand evidence for every assertion. But also keep in mind that we’re all similar in the general but very different in many of the specifics.
Your mother is the best example of a person practicing moderation. She has been doing it all her life and as you say she is, at 93, “healthy as a horse”. The modern world has an abundance of food and the food industry employ food scientists to make the food taste even better by processing it with chemicals which tricks our brain and makes us crave food and overeat.
With all this processed tasty foods, available everywhere, I had not been as disciplined as your mother and that had resulted in my diagnosis of T2. I am now acknowledging my bad behavior, regret my sugar addiction, indulging in gluttony, and eating at frequent intervals. So, for me, now is not the time to start practicing moderation, now is the time to take drastic action.
And to get results, you really don’t need to go big-bang KETO at the beginning. You just start by enjoying healthy fats, stop eating processed foods and avoid carbs as much as possible. Just no excuses if you want to be on a health journey.
Very well said, Michael. It also frequently operates on a personal basis for the speaker, i.e. “I’m this way so my way must be the best.”
The ‘Exercise’ thread makes me think of that - in no way is it necessary for everybody, to lose weight on a ketogenice diet (and this is generalizing that they need keto and have a background of metabolic disturbance from eating a lot of carbohydrates).
Yet it still makes a massive difference for many people.
Eating the chocolate bar every day - I could see this; I think it’s a case of, “Well, if it didn’t do any harm then it didn’t do any harm.”
You hear it about cigarettes/tobacco, “Lived to 90, and smoked 2 packs of cigarettes every day right to the end.” – Well, maybe so, but I bet that if one was really familiar with the person in question, there would be some observable detriment from all the smoking.
“Drank a fifth of liquor every day…” I know a lot of people like this, a consequence of where I’ve lived and worked. I would go so far as to say they don’t make it to 90. I’ve seen 60s, even 70s, but it really drags them down.
not sure cause my mom who is 93 and doing great stopped smoking at age 77 LOL but her health was not ‘this modern day lifestyle’ either so I think NOW vs. back then, what the older ones have done is not ever going to be us now 
I can say thru life smoking never dragged her down, well yet HA
But why are you trying to tell people how to live their lives? Did they ask you?
I personally know a lady who has T2D and lives a happy life practicing the ‘moderation’ thing. It is her life, her choice. I have no business trying to teach her how to live, what to eat, etc. She’s 87, or 88, I can’t remember. I also know people who had open heart surgery and still chose to live as before. It is their life, their choice. One of my grandmothers died of lung disease. She chose to smoke cigarettes until the day she couldn’t hold one anymore. Died aged 80-something, a feat for people from the country where I was born. She gave birth to about 20 children and raised the about 13 who survived alone!.. Good luck to anyone trying to tell that great lady how to live her life.
Just imagine how many times they had to put up with I-know-better people in their lives!
I want to manage my BG with a keto WOE, but that’s my choice and I have no business giving people unwanted advise.
Do you appreciate when people try to tell you how to live?
Making it to 93 years old is something in itself, regardless of all other factors.
Hey @Fangs - why did she quit smoking?
Thank you @Corals. I missed all those posts advocating we tell folks how to live their lives. I mistakingly thought we were having a discussion among ourselves about the rationalizations and justifications people use to avoid making beneficial changes in their lives. Silly me, I thought we were discussing this to avoid doing those things ourselves.
Thank you. Maybe there is a misunderstanding here. This is just a discussion to weigh in on the effectiveness or otherwise of the strategy of “Everything in Moderation” when one is diagnosed with metabolic dysfunction. Anyone, following the discussion could benefit from it and especially to those either employing or thinking of employing this strategy.
She got tired of it. Just like her wine. One day she said she was done with wine, gonzo. Next day she said she was tired of ciggies so she stopped that day and never touched another. 93 and still going strong.
My Dad quit smoking at age 44 and passed at 86 from lung cancer. Healthy as a horse up to that literally and when treatment started, he was gone in 7 weeks. So fast. I think if he didn’t do any of that nasty azz treatment he would have had longer plus he would have been coherent in his last weeks. That chemo/radiation f’d him up immediately…ugh