Eggs. Demonized again. Sigh

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #41

True. And while it is also true that association does not prove causality, lack of association is a pretty good proof of non-causality. It is particularly telling when you commission a major study with the idea of supporting your hypothesis and the study fails to show the expected association.

Keys knew that, which is why, when he actually studied twenty two countries, he only reported on the seven countries that supported his hypothesis. Harcombe’s re-analysis of all the data showed that the effect Keys puported to find was actually non-existent.

He admitted that dietary cholesterol had no effect on serum cholesterol, which is partly why he then focused on saturated fat in the diet, instead. Teicholz has mentioned this in several lectures, but I thought she also put it in the book. So much for keto clarity, huh?

#NOTDEADYET

(Doug) #42

:slightly_smiling_face::sunglasses: For sure, Paul.

(Ron) #43

The latest to hit the media on eggs.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2728465

Bad science continues.

#44

I would not call it science.

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(Andi loves space, bacon and fasting. ) #46

We’ve all seen eggs demonized in the news more than once. Dietary fats and red meat for sure.

Can anyone think of a time when they opened up a newspaper or a major news website and saw a processed carb demonized? Pasta? Bread?

Anyone?

(Jane) #47

Nope.

I bought into some of their crap but never quit eating eggs and butter because of the health of my great-grandparents eating them every day of their lives and never suffering from heart disease or cancer.

(Allan Misner) #48

When you read the study, it merely states there is an association. It doesn’t consider confounders. You could probably do the same study with tapioca pudding and find some correlation that makes the pudding seem like a superfood.

The conclusion is that the results should be considered in future health guidelines. The article written to promote the study was written to be click bate.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #49

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My favorite:

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(Andi loves space, bacon and fasting. ) #51

Nicolas Cage should really stop making movies!!

#52

I watched that old Lustig lecture on fructose, and it had me thinking about the politics in all this.

Politicians can’t be wrong about the advice given, or they’ll lose faith and popularity. Colesterol has to be bad for political rrasons. Fructose has to be not dangerous to keep sugar prices stable and people happy. Hardly anything in the public debate is about science or journalism. It’s all about the politicians’ struggle to keep their power.

(Todd Allen) #53

Before going keto I used to eat eggs with toast & jelly and a tall glass of orange juice. That was an unhealthy breakfast doing me damage. I still eat the eggs and now I’m doing great. In this study they gave obvious attention to cholesterol but I see no sign that they considered the risks from sugars and starches.

(The o-chem police are coming) #54

This is indicative of the sad state of science. For sure figuring out what life style choice will result in the death of most of us is one of the most pressing issues in medicine today. But the NIH has essentially stopped funding such research. That leaves us with private benefactors, who are unlikely to fund the studies we need. They will be prohibitively expensive for private non industry money. Next is database retrospective trials (like this egg bologna) and industry funded studies. The retrospective trials aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on and will get Nicolas Cage in a lot of trouble (see above😮). Industry funded studies always leave me empty inside.

Welcome to the future. Stay healthy.

(Jane) #55

Like Nina T said in the Big Fat Surprise - rigorous studies of dietary effects are VERY expensive to conduct.

You cannot rely on people reporting what they eat accurately in a study. Nobody wants to admit they ate a half gallon of ice cream or a half dozen of Krispy Kreme donuts if it is a “health study”. People lie.

At least some of Keys studies actually went to people’s houses and recorded exactly what they ate at their meals. I hate what Keys did to us, but some of his methods were spot on. Not all. He manipulated the data to fit his hypothesis.

There will NEVER be enough funding to study people in ketosis because there is no profit in it. Even though a simple blood test can confirm adherence to a dietary regime.

(Jim) #56

Here we go again!!!

Seems that they only focused on egg consumption and not other factors like blood sugar levels.

(Bridget) #57

Ridiculous! Why don’t they use the money to do research that is going to provide meaningful results rather than leaving so many relevant and common variables out in the cold.

“Senior author Norrina Allen, a preventive medicine specialist, noted that the study lacks information on whether participants ate eggs hard-boiled, poached, fried, or scrambled in butter, which she said could affect health risks.”

Exactly, no info or comparison was done on what the eggs were cooked in, whether they were soft vs hard yolks. etc etc

(Pat) #58

Remember Edwina Curry in the 80s UK? She frightened everyone with her phrase “almost all eggs have Salmonella”. I was in hospital at the time and I wasn’t allowed a soft boiled egg. It didn’t stop me eating eggs though, I’m still here 31 years later after eating eggs almost every day.
I asked a doctor the truth about eating eggs and he said eggs are good for you.

(Bunny) #59

Just looking at the title of this and if I were to accept what is written and I did not eat eggs for a long period of time (no other source of choline and methionine in my diet), that is what more than likely would have caused my fatty liver (NAFLD) and future type 2 diabetes (fatty pancreas) along with the high sugar diet?

Article is a real attention grabber if you like vegan propaganda?

Thank you AP Newswire?

(Allie) #60

Tbh I don’t care either way as they taste good :joy: