On the latest Dudes episode @carl mentioned something about how great the suggested cancer treatment is for cancer and he added “and they can eat bacon!” Seyfried quickly said something like “I wouldn’t go too far on the bacon”
There was no follow up to that and I was just curious as to why he said that?
I thought the nitrate nonsense was over with considering how much vegetables have… bacon isn’t that much worse, if at all. And it’s fatty meat.
Any ideas why he said this?
Just guessing here - there is evidence that processed meat in general presents some increase in cancer risk, specifically colorectal cancer. Personally, I don’t worry about it - it’s not to the same large degree that cigarettes, for example, increase the risk of lung cancer. But it’s not zero.
Yeah but for bacon what does processed mean? High salt? Nitrates?
We need high salt being on keto.
And multiple papers show vegetables are loaded with nitrates, some more than hotdogs.
So to me, processed isn’t much of a scare and I would have expected Dr Seyfried to know that and not imply that bacon is harmful.
Just curious!
I had referred back to the first one earlier today. Other than that, it’s just Mr. Google being the good old boy he usually is.
Hoo boy, a meta analysis of a meta analysis. I’d rather get cancer than comb through this.
I hear you there. Overall, though, I don’t think it can be dismissed. As I said above, it’s not as demonstrable nor as severe as the link between cigarettes and lung cancer, but all in all I wouldn’t bet that it’s zero. I also don’t act on it - ate a whole big summer sausage just the other day, and will often do 20 or 30 strips of bacon in the morning - since the hotel breakfasts usually have these extraordinarily thin pieces.
I was thinking of seeing him again this summer tour. Thanks for the chuckle
Here is a good video debunking Anti - Red Meat 
Nina Teicholz - ‘Red Meat and Health’
John, it definitely means curing and salting, there. While I don’t think that merely adding spices, especially in a limited amount, would automatically mean that a meat was deemed “processed,” most means of improving preservation or enhancing flavor constitute “processing.” So, curing (including the addition of nitrates, nitrites, etc.), smoking, salting and fermenting qualify.
To be the most charitable, I’d assume that since the therapeutic keto diet was under 1000 kcal, and to avoid unnecessary and frequent mTOR pathway activation, that it’s formulated with specific proteins in mind. And not as ad lib as we do keto.
Dan, Nina Teicholz makes a lot of really good points, there. I watched the entire video, then looked over the IARC’s monograph on this subject - it has come out now. 511 pages, yee haa…
Consumption of red meat is probably carcinogenic to humans.
Consumption of processed meat is carcinogenic to humans.
That’s the distillation of their findings with respect to cancer. They present some fairly good evidence (in my opinion), even given all the possible confounding factors in the studies they examined and their process as well - which they address. I don’t think there is nothing there.
If the people on the IARC panel were biased, which Nina addresses, then it does give me real doubt. It’s a judgment call on their part, and if they ignored less vague evidence to the contrary, were mostly vegetarians themselves, etc., then I do wonder. One of Nina’s good points is that a 1.17 or 1.18 ‘Relative Risk’ is not that big a deal. Even if we were to accept the IARC’s findings at face value, if my risk of cancer only increases by 17 or 18 percent, then I’m not really worried.
I think Nina casts reasonable doubt on those findings, but I also think there is very probably some merit in what the IARC said. Thus, in the end I imagine the real increased risk is less than what the IARC claims, somewhere below those percentage figures, going down towards zero increase. More clinical trials showing no correlation between meat/processed meat and cancer would convince me that it’s zero.
Yeah I think this makes the most sense in terms of what he meant. Oh well. I just wanted to throw this out there.
The moment I heard this at lunch time today, I knew it wouldn’t make it 5 minutes before the forums had their way with it.
There’s no such thing as a throw-away comment about bacon on the KF!! 
(I assumed it wa the debunked IARC BS)
