Do you consider Keto, LCHF & Banting to all be the same thing?

(Ross) #1

Do you consider Keto, LCHF & Banting to all be the same thing?

If not, what do you think are the significant differences?

(Sophie) #2

Not. I think the differences are the amount of carbs allowed per day.
In my mind, Keto is Adkins Induction For Life. 20gms of carbs per day.
For me LCHF is the “after induction”, stepping up of carbs which, although it did keep my initial weight loss off, stalled me.
And sorry, but I’m not versed in Banting, so I won’t speak on that but I suspect it is a higher amount of carbs than 20per day and probably much like the Adkins Rungs.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #3

^^^^ This is pretty much how I see it too. Keto=20 grams carb, LCHF=higher rungs on Atkin’s ladder. For me that is 50 grams. From what I have read Banting is pretty much a lower carb, possibly up to 100+grams of carbs per day.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

Dr. Noakes uses the terms “LCHF” and “Banting” pretty interchangeably. He has co-opted Mr. Banting’s name as the name of the eating plan he promotes in South Africa, but it’s your standard low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet, with guidance as to the nutritional composition of foods to help people plan, and guidance in how to shop to make LCHF affordable. (They also encourage eating real foods and avoiding processed carbage.)

I downloaded Banting’s Letter on Corpulence but can’t find it, and I don’t remember how restrictive the level of carbohydrate was in Harvey’s plan for him. I believe it permitted leafy green vegetables but restricted pretty much everything else, but don’t quote me.

Dr. Phinney seems to think, judging by various lectures of his that I’ve watched on YouTube, that the average person can enter ketosis by eating less than about 100 grams of carbohydrate a day. His definition of nutritional ketosis is a serum ß-hydroxybutyrate level between 0.5 and 5.0 mmol/L, and since he practically invented the concept, I suppose we have to give him that.

(Sjur Gjøstein Karevoll) #5

I see them as pretty much the same. Sure you could point out minor differences but everyone’s going to have a different idea of what is what anyway. The core concept is still don’t eat a lot of carbohydrates and don’t be afraid of fat.

(What The Fast?!) #6

They’re like different dialects of the same language.

(Jessika Nilsson) #7

I’d say that a ketogenic diet is like LCHF/banting, but being LCHF/banting does not need to mean you’re ketogenic.
As ppl above said, it’s the strictness of the level of carbs or the level of ketones which determines where on the scale you fall in

(Adam Kirby) #8

The way people commonly use the words, yes. To be pedantic tho ketogenic diets mean specific macros while the others do not.

(Michelle) #9

My similar question is if you are Banting, or LCHF, and you have blood ketones above >0.5, then are you Keto? I know some people can have higher than 20g of carbs and still be in ketosis.

(Allie) #10

Banting allows many things not recommended on keto

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #11

Blood ketones above 0.5 is the very definition of being in nutritional ketosis, so yes, as long as you’re there, it isn’t as important how you got there.