Do drinking raw apple cider vinegar and green tea during fasts stop autophagy

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(Delores Katovitch) #1

Hi All, I have read conflicting things about green tea and apple cider vinegar during fasting. I wonder if anyone knows what the latest research/experience shows about the effects of a few cups of green tea and/or a few cups of water with apple cider vinegar in it are on autophagy during fasting. I find that they make my fasts so much easier, and I think perhaps also help with visceral fat loss as my stomach seems flatter when I drink them, but I REALLY want the benefits of autophagy as there is a very strong history of Alzheimer’s Disease and Parkinson’s in my family (both parents, and their siblings) and I am 62 years old now. I was a member of the IDM program last year and got rid of 110 pounds with consistent, regular fasting three days a week (varying the configuration from week to week) and a LC/HF/MP diet. During most of that time I did water/salt/mineral water only fasts most of the time but that is hard on my system and the green tea and ACV really seem to help. That’s why I’d like to change now and add them back. Thanks for any info you might have.

(Karen) #2

No, in my reading.

K

(karen) #3

I’m very interested in whether there’s been any new info on this, I’m in sort of the same boat with wishing to fast for disease prevention. At one point Jason Fung said the caffeine in coffee and tea might interfere with autophagy. Some other info claimed that autophagy naturally slows down after about 2 days of fasting. Then again, Valter Longo felt the full benefits of fasting or fast-mimicking took about 5 days. I’m not sure there’s a direct way to measure autophagy, that might be part of the issue??

#4

there is no way to measure autophagy at all, let alone this super detailed type questions about what affects it,

#5

The scientific community’s knowledge of autophagy is limited. It’s a hot area of research, so they’ll be much learned over the coming years.

From what I’ve read about neurodegenerative diseases, the focus isn’t on autophagy, it’s on using more fatty acids and less glucose as an energy source. To this end, being in a constant state of ketosis is beneficial. Fasting can be one of the tools used to achieve this, but diet plays a big role also. ACV and tea, to the extent that they don’t interfere with with ketosis, would be irrelevant.

(Delores Katovitch) #7

Thank you everyone. Guess I’ll just need to keep doing my own n=1 experiments…

(Erin Macfarland ) #8

Dr Fung just posted an article on the benefits of green tea, so he advocates using it to help with fat loss, and can be used during a fast (unsweetened obviously!) Green tea makes me nauseous though so I take an extract when I eat dinner after fasting all day.

(karen) #10

Yes, my thing is green tea makes me nauseous on an empty stomach. Sort of ironic it’s a fasting aid. :slightly_frowning_face:

(karen) #11

Good info re neuro issues. I’m thinking cancer as well as immune system functioning - fasting / glucose “deprivation” weakening or killing old cells and cells more dependent on glucose, then autophagy coming along and sweeping them away. Simplistic and probably wrong, but n=1, we’ll see how that works out. :face_with_monocle:

(Delores Katovitch) #12

Have my fingers crossed for you Karen!

(karen) #13

:grin: Thank you. I’ll report back in a couple of decades.

#14

No way? At all? Why such a dismissive, intellectually incurious response to a reasonable question from @towanda9871 ?

By the way, the folks over at the International Journal of Molecular Science have not gotten the memo that there is “no way” to measure autophagy “at all”, and proceed to describe two “ways” to measure autophagy:

Now @towanda9871 , to provide at least a speculative answer to your interesting and appropriately detailed question, it may be that autophagy is signaled and regulated by those hormones related to feeding and fasting, particularly insulin:

So, do apple cider vinegar and green tea raise or lower insulin? They are widely touted to lower insulin. Is there any evidence? Well yes there is:

IDM’s article on how apple cider vinegar lowers insulin

So my guess is that raw apple cider vinegar and green tea during fasts probably does not stop autophagy. I don’t know, I’m no expert. But I’m curious. And thanks for asking the question!

(Delores Katovitch) #15

Thank you so much for this thoughtful and helpful response…and your curiosity :slight_smile: Very interesting articles. Warmest regards, Delores