Disappointed / messed up


(Bob M) #21

It’s the opposite for me and my wife: I grew up trying to be a body builder and typically treat food as a tool; whereas she is the one who can get stressed and use food for that. I’m the moderator and she has to be the abstainer.

That’s not to say that I don’t use food sometimes to down stress or the like, just that I don’t do it very often at all.


#23

Bonjour,

Quand j’ai envie de sucré, ce qui m’aide ce sont les chewing gum sans sucre, dans mon casa, ca n’a pas d’influence sur les niveaux de glucose dans le sang.

Courage


(Edith) #24

What I find interesting for myself is that I can enjoy fruit and a serving is enough. I have a bite of a cookie, and I get a huge visceral response that can’t wait for the next bite. I just don’t get that from sweet juicy fruit. There really is something to that fat/sweet combination.


#25

I can relate though it’s not that simple. Sweet and fat is a nice combo indeed (I never liked low-fat sweet things, fruits are the biggest exception) and without much protein, it keeps me unsatiated but there are other factors (satisfaction is a major one) and I too easily overeat certain fruits as well. But most of them are satisfying enough in small amounts - I had to work for some though (apple. I went from 1kg to 10-20g portions but it depends on the apple).
Temptation has many factors anyway, sometimes I am into the texture… :smiley: I am big on texture.
And compulsion doesn’t even require us to like the item, that’s a serious problem, mine isn’t severe but it’s still baffling and annoying and maybe even shameful to me. But at least I have huge motivation to fight against it!

Cookies are special because they are there and I always ate them all. It’s a trigger, having some left. I don’t have that with most fruits (or food in general) but I have fruits around me all the time while I can’t even make proper (crunchy!) cookies on any diet despite I wish for them occasionally…
So it’s complex. And depends on one’s actual state. Sometimes I so easily turn down anything not on my very good default diet… Sometimes I don’t even understand what I am doing and why, oh god.


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #26

Personally I’m quite hard on myself with cheats. I think little bad habits now and again can turn into bigger bad habits happenening more frequently.
But you know what is good for you and you know whats junk food. No big deal :blush:


(Bob M) #27

I have found that - for most cheats - I’ll overeat. We usually have ice cream “cake” for birthdays. We’ve taken to buying the smallest cake we can so that we can eat it in one sitting, 1-2 slices per person. And if I have one slice, I’ll want 2.

On the other hand, I can bounce back and eat keto the next day with no issues.

The hardest times are around Thanksgiving or Christmas, when there is too much food around. I still do okay and limit my exposure, but this tends to be a few meals over a few days instead of one cheat meal.


(Joey) #28

Genius :bulb:


#29

Hello:

Like others have said - don’t beat yourself and try not to chase the ketones; it can become obsessive, and realistically the longer you are on a ketogenic diet, the lower your numbers will become over time.

I have a sweet tooth and probably always will. Once in a while when I need to have something sweet and bakery-like, or if I have company over for coffee and want to enjoy something with them but still have it keto, I make a bach of Keto Lemon Scones and freeze them to have on hand. So easy to make and everyone loves them. Recipe says it makes 6, but I cut the round into 8 pieces before baking. Anyhow, here is the link to the recipe I use:

Enjoy!


(Malin Hallett) #30

Thank you very much :slight_smile: I was hoping my sweet tooth would magically disappear with keto but perhaps I was being a little optimistic :rofl: I’ll prepare and plan for cravings instead.


(Brian) #31

Some people are lucky and their sweet tooth goes away. Some of us aren’t lucky like that and we never get over wanting a sweet treat. That’s just life. Have heard the same said of the desire for cigarettes when someone quits. Some say after a few weeks, cigarettes repel them. Others fight the craving till their dying day.

8 years ago, I was a vegan / vegetarian and had some nasty health issues cropping up. Discovered keto and went for it. I tried to be heavily plant based when starting out and did do a lot of keto treats, almond flour and erythritol being big components of those. Looking back, that wasn’t such a good thing. But over time, my diet became much more animal based and the sweet treats kinda faded away. I’m trying to remember the last time I made something, it’s been a long time.

The occasional indigression? Of course it happens. I know full well what I’m eating or drinking when I have something I shouldn’t. I have a glass of wine a few times a year but know what it is. I have a standard sugar filled dessert a few times a years but I know what it is. Non-events. But they are one-off’s, not things that continue day after day after day. Some can’t do that, especially with alcohol, or the whole thing comes crashing down again, so it’s important to know that. If you can’t, don’t.

Honestly, I don’t focus on a big picture all that much anymore. Mostly, it’s about today. What’s for supper? Here, that’s a bit of tuna, not much else, don’t need a big supper (and I don’t eat lunch). Breakfast was meat and eggs, almost carnivore, but I know there were some spices in the sausage and I did have lots o’ coffee. (I’m not sorry. LOL!) Point being, make today a good day and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #32

It’s different for everyone. For myself, I found that my taste changed and I stopped enjoying sweet stuff so much, but my cravings for carbs continued unabated. They just shifted to different foods. Interestingly, I am finding that I don’t crave carbohydrate nearly so much on a carnivore diet, and when I do want something carby, it is far easier to just say no. That makes me very happy, because I’m the type where just one piece of cornbread or a small bag of popcorn or one everything bagel would send me off to the races.

That, Brian, is an excellent piece of advice! :+1:


#33

Hi MalHal,

Great work on changing your diet so far, and doing what sounds like some really significant exercise. I don’t have too much wisdom to share on relapses, except to keep trying, don’t be afraid to experiment with what can work for you, and maybe keeping some kind of record of how it’s all going- whether that’s tracking, journalling, continuing to post here, or chatting with an open-minded friend- to remind yourself of how various things have impacted your preferred metrics, over time, as well as your general sense of being successful and happy. Those are the things I’m trying myself right now.

I personally find artificial sweeteners very “more-ish”, just as much as actual sugar. They keep me focused on wanting sweet things every day. They also go hand-in-hand (for me) with eating (and rationalising the eating of!) large volumes of Ultra Processed Foods. However, none of us can be perfect, and we have to choose which goals are most important to us. My current experiment is to drastically reduce sweet tastes (as well as actual carbs) to see if it cuts down the “food noise” in my brain. We’ll see how that works. I have never found it possible to maintain perfect abstinence from sweets myself, but I have definitely found it achievable to massively cut down.

I guess it is worth asking yourself, if your plan included “permitting” some predictable, tasty (low carb) sweet foods every day or every week, would that be a problem for you? What happens when you do that? Could you try it for a few weeks and see?

Good luck on your way of eating and however it works out from here, keep us posted :slight_smile: