Digestion and IBS still bad

(Chris Kornelsen) #1

I’ve asked about this before and I’ve checked prior threads and there still doesnt seem to be satisfying fixes to my issue. My issue being IBS and digestion on keto is worse. I’ve been told to do carnivore I did for 1 week and it didnt help. I know I need to go longer but here is my theory.

Before keto I was eating veggies, fruit, meat, and then lots of bread and donuts, ice caps chips pop etc. So going keto I now eat veggies, meat and have cut out all the ahit. So to me if veggies fruits and carbs were causing the issues and I’m eating less to none wouldnt it get better? It hasnt gotten better. Ice taken 3 months of pro biotics to help but the bacteria. I’ve cut out certain foods but again I’ve never had any issues with any of the food I eat.

What happened before is I’d go once or twice a day and then every 6 months or so my IBS would force excrete my bowel movements with intense pain and then I’d go ankther 6 months or so. I can deal with that. Now on keto my average js probably one every 2 or 3 days and what happens is I have bloating or stomach pain daily and then I have tjat excretion of intense pain every 2 weeks or so. Literally the only thing I’ve changed is deletion of horrible foods. I guess the only other relevancy is I have upped heavy cream (in coffee) but I would prior to keto use ALOT of flavoured creamer. Also I’ve upped monkfruit, stevia and such so thags the new one. But again those sweeteners can be a cause of bloating and gas but not intense IBS issues (from my understanding).

So to summarize if cutting out bad foods is making jt worse how can I trust that less veggie and more meat will work? Lessening myveggies fidnt work before I dont see how it would work again. (I also would point out eating to many veggies causes me bad bloating and pain). Everything else on keto is amazing and I’ve lost 50 lbs. But I’m one step away from going low carb and introducing some fruits and grains back in so I can maybe get my digestion back to working order. Any advice?

(Karen ) #2

Hi Chris,

I have IBS as well. Horrible bloating but eating less carbs has made me feel so much better! I also take Ibgard and it has eliminated the bloating.

(Chris Kornelsen) #3

Ibgard?

(Karen ) #4
#5

Gut Microbe Transplant?

Also . . . have you had any imiging done of your gut? Maybe it’s a mechanical issue as well as a biome issue?

(Bunny) #6

Too many gut bugs thriving on whatever you eat, they don’t care what you eat, they’ll eat the other bacteria that are eating what your eating?

I was reading about various theories on this and it seems that the issues with IBS & SIBO is that the gut bugs good and bad like to play games with us, the large intestinal gut bugs try to infiltrate the smaller intestinal gut bugs (then you get IBS) or vice versa and then when the small intestinal gut bugs try to infiltrate the stomach, gallbladder and liver (you get SIBO)?

One thing I would try is oregano (or something?) to kill and even out the ratio of the over-populated colonies of gut bugs (good and bad) in equal divisions and bring them back down to healthy levels?

Soil based probiotics might help also by reprogramming them to not re-populate in so vast of numbers?

I think we may get SIBO or IBS from not being exposed to dirt or soil or a more vast array of bacteria as children? (a/k/a: too sterile of an environment?)

References:

[1] ”…Symptoms of IBS include abdominal pain, bloating, and altered bowel habits such as diarrhea, constipation, or alternating between the two stool consistency extremes. The symptoms of IBS are similar to those experienced by patients with Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO). …” …More

[2] Why Soil-Based Probiotics Are Best for SIBO “…SIBO often goes undiagnosed because of the way its symptoms manifest in different people, sometimes showing no physical signs whatsoever. In fact, an estimated 6-15% of healthy, asymptomatic people and roughly 80% of people with IBS are actually suffering from SIBO. …”

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(Chris Kornelsen) #8

Yes multiple barium tests. Barium enema when I was 15. I was diagnosed with IBS when they did all the tests and came back with no issues

(Chris Kornelsen) #9

Soil based hmm. And well I out Oregano on my salads and in my salad dressings? I’ll try soil based and see

(Bunny) #10

The fewer bacteria (gut bugs) you have inside you the less competition? (e.g. too much of one or two {hence over-population} and not enough of the others?)

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Different people respond differently to the different treatments. What benefits one person makes another person worse or has no affect at all. Some benefits are transient. If I had IBS for a long time and nothing worked I would jump strait to the microbiome transplant especially if I had a history of having taken antibiotics at a young age.

(traci simpson) #12

So what exactly is IBS and what causes it?

#13

Have you tried an elimination diet? If you find a good protocol that eliminates nearly everything and then gradually add things back, you may stumble across foods that you have sensitivities to.

People have sensitivities to particular proteins sometimes and you may discover that you have issues with something you’re eating more of now that you’re eating keto. For some people it’s chicken, for some it’s beef. You also might discover that you have issues with standard, grain-fed beef, but not with grass-finished. Same thing on the chicken with the grain feed vs. free-range.

(Chris Kornelsen) #14

What I dont understand is why wouldnt I have had issues before then? I dont really eat loads more than I used to especially since I do IF and my calories went from 3k-4k a day down to 2k. So like my breakfast for years was bacon eggs fried veggies and bread. Now its 1 more egg 1 more slice of bacon and leave the grease to fry veggies in. Then I skip lunch (occasionally I’ll have pepperoni stick from the store) and supper is whatever my wife makes which has always been the same I just skip the carbs.

Also the way my IBS works it seems isnt trigger foods it’s as if on keto I’m backed up and so my body goes “ya I’m getting rid of this” and then its intense pain as my body gets rid of a bunch. So thag tells me something about keto is halting digestion and backing me up. And I cant figure out what it is unless standard medicine is correct and high fibre diets od fruits and such are needed

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #15

Many members of this forum have reported that they are much more comfortable with eating no fibre, that fibre aggravates their symptoms of IBS. Others seem to be okay adding fibre to their diet.

A strict elimination diet of nothing but animal products (i.e., you can include dairy, if it’s okay for you otherwise) may help you get this sorted. You should know by three or four weeks if the elimination diet is making a difference. At that point, you can add foods back into your diet—one by one, so that you can be sure that each particular food is safe.

One way to help restore your intestinal microbiome is to eat live-culture yoghurt. Be sure the yoghurt is made from whole milk or heavy cream, and that it contains no flavourings, and most especially, no added sugar.

Eliminate all so-called vegetable oils from your diet. They do your bowel no good whatsoever. And for the period of the elimination diet, exclude avocado, coconut, and olive oil, as well. If you like those oils, you can add them back—as part of your one-by-one experimentation, mind you—once your bowel has settled down.

If you do this elimination diet, you should find your bowel movements becoming smaller and less frequent, because a much higher percentage of what you eat will be digestible, leaving much less mass to be excreted. This alone should help your bowel, but the other thing that will help is the production of ketones, because the ketone body β-hydroxybutyrate helps repair and heal your bowel.

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Fiber can have the oposite effect as what “standard medicine” says it does. It can bloat you and back you up.

That video I posted talks a little about elimination diet to see what’s causing it but it was somewhat specific about what to eliminate.

(Chris Kornelsen) #17

Yes thank you I’m gonna watch it when I get home

(Laurie) #19

A couple of years ago, over the course of a few months, I gradually became intolerant of most plant foods. I wasn’t keto at the time, so keto didn’t cause it. I guess it’s just something that happens to some people.

So now I’m basically carnivore, whether I want to be or not. Interestingly, I can eat some highly processed plant matter, such as tomato sauce or peri-peri sauce. And I guess meat is a form of highly processed plant matter too.

I can’t eat a salad, cooked vegetables, grains, or beans, etc. They cause gastric distress and toilet problems. I have no idea why. I’m fine eating just meat and eggs. (I cut out dairy for other reasons.)