Diet induced coronary artery atherosclerosis in monkeys


(Melissa ) #1

This is a call for help to all you science-y people. I manage a large GI practice and have been encouraging my doctors to look into Keto. One of them told me that saturated fat causes artery atherosclerosis, because when he did research while in med school, they fed monkeys coconut milk to give them advanced artery atherosclerosis.

I’ve tried to find information about this, but all I can find are articles from 20 years ago with no details regarding diet.

Can anyone help me out here?


(VLC.MD) #2

Say Hi to Dr. Keys for me. He must have changed specialties from Cardiology to GI !!

because when he did research while in med school, they fed monkeys coconut milk to give them advanced artery atherosclerosis.

Conclusion: Monkeys may not benefit from being force fed coconut milk while being in cages in a lab. Applicability to humans: Zero.

Evidence in food “science” seems almost impossible to come by. Proof of anything is difficult.

The latest PURE study could help them.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext?elsca1=tlxpr

Interpretation
High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.

Stay tuned, I have a great video that will help. Even a GI doc will understand it :slight_smile:

Don’t give them the links yet. I’ll make up a 5 question quiz they’ll get zero on. /haha

probably will have to wait til the weekend.


#3

I don’t care if doctors consider KETO healthy, or not. My body, my choice.

I could eat carbs and have diabetes, heart attack, cancer, obesity, depression, exhaustion.
Or, I can feel energetic, have mental clarity, be slimmer, and more active.

Either way I am still going to die one day. I prefer to die on my own terms.


(Melissa ) #4

I would love anything you could give me! They are all so resistant to the idea, it makes me crazy. One of them has a friend who was just diagnosed with Parkinson’s and I mentioned a ketogenic diet. His response was “show me the studies”. I don’t get it, it’s FOOD, with no “down side”…why NOT try it?!


(Melissa ) #5

I have no intention of switching my diet from Keto. I was looking for information to share with someone else.


#6

My response was the point.
In the end we all die, so who cares what anyone thinks


(Melissa ) #7

VLC.MD - any progress on the video?


(VLC.MD) #8

Yes and No.
pssst. incoming.


(Melissa ) #9

I doc on board, 5 more to go! Thanks!


(VLC.MD) #10

Education is a pull not a push.


(VLC.MD) #11

Do any /all of them need to lose a few pounds ?


(Melissa ) #12

The one who is a convert has already lost weight. Only one (who will never make the change) is obese. Most of them are at a normal weight. I see where you’re going, and I agree. Also encouraging the calcium scoring test.


(VLC.MD) #13

Obese MD might need a doctor telling him Ketogenic Weight loss is safe.

Let us not forget [:avocado:]