There are a bunch of Veg*n propagandists who really don’t like ketogenic diets because … well we eat animals. I respect their commitment, I don’t respect their arguments.
Here’s a good example …
OK Where should I start … well firstly ketosis is not a starvation state. It’s the state that humans have been in for 200,000 years except at the end of summer, or once agriculture was invented a little over 10,000 years.
Glucose is not converted from fat, it is made new from glucogenic amino acids, glycerol, or lactate.
Keto is not necessarily a carnivorous diet, there are vegetarian, and even vegan ketogenic dieters but as these diets are deficient in B12 and heme iron like all veg*n diets these must be supplemented.
The Ketogenic diet for children with refractory epilepsy is a liquid diet that comes in tins and is manufactured mostly from corn and soy oil - this is not what ketogenic dieters eat. These are very sick children with a whole host of pre-existing issues.
Incidents in the literature of children dying from fatal MI’s while on a ketogenic diet, were found during autopsy to be selenium deficiency … subsequently selenium was added to the ketogenic liquid diet formulation. A handful of brazil nuts supplies more than enough selenium, as do many other low carb foods common in a nutritional ketogenic diet.
Regarding Paleo mums list
The gastro effects are common to transitioning to ANY new diet, the gut has to adapt, it’ll have to do that with a vegan diet too.
BOHB is specifically inflammation reducing, as is the ketogenic diet - unless you eat one made of omega 6 PUFAs like corn and soya oils
Any time you change your energy input (diet) some of your hair follicles which normally cycles between growing, dormancy and falling out … decide to fast forward to falling out. 6 months later you’ll have a thicker than usual head of hear because they all started growing at the same time.
Kidney stones - some people are genetically prone to these anyway and the ketogenic adaptation brings that on because for the few weeks you are adapoting and making a lot of ketones you can’t use they compete with Uric acid for disposal by the kidneys. That goes back to normal after abnout 6 weeks. Supplementation with Potassium citrate fixes this.
Muscle cramps are caused by people eating too little salt - a high carb diet causes kidneys to reabsorb sodium and not excrete it. The high carb diet and a body unable to dispose of excess sodium is the disease state and it exhibits as hypertension.
Hypoglycemia is due to people taking antiglycemic medication (ie: diabetic medication) - that’s the thing on a ketogenic diet most diabetics no longer need to lower their blood glucose with medication. Those who do are liable to overcorrect.
Low platelet count - again this is the liquid cans … they don’t contain much kale and other leafy green sources of Vitamin K. ACTUAL ketogenic diet plates are full of leafy greens.
Impaired cognition - in the first week when you don’t supplement with sodium maybe. Resty of the time my cognition and concentration is better than Paleo Mums and Michael Dearborn’s combined.
Impaired mood - again an artifact of improperly salted adaptation. Ketogenic diets are specifically prescribed for mood stabilization. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1940242/
Renal tubule acidosis - ketogenic diets have been shown to reverse diabetic nephropathy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3080383/
Nutrient deficiency - that liquid diet with tre soya and corn oil again. An actual ketogenic diet is nor nutritious than a Vegan diet which is deficient in heme iron, and vitamin B12 not to mention all the anti-nutrients in plants that they use as pesticides and in us they provoke gut malabsorption.
Disordered mineral metabolism - that’s the high carb state where the body can’t remove sodium and people end up at stroke risk from hypertension.
Poor growth in children … among children with refractory epilepsy … as in grand mal seizures multiple times and hour, every hour. Adequate growth is the least of their problems.
Osteporosis, Osteopenia and fracture risk are all risk factors of a diet high in corn oil. The ACTUAL ketogenic diet does not increase bone turnover markers (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22653255)
Increase bruising - vitamin K again … refer to liquid corn oil diet.
sepsis, infection, bacteria overgrowth are not caused by lipidemia and a ketogenic diet does not cause hyperlipidemia … in fact A ketogenic diet favorably affects serum biomarkers for cardiovascular disease (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663)
The paper he posted about micorvascular dysfunction is unrelated to the point that he was making, but that study was debunked by Jeff Volek Effects of dietary carbohydrate restriction versus low-fat diet on flow-mediated dilation (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19632695) which showed significant improvment in vascular function. His story about the blood stacking like quarters … is an exageration that makes no biochemical sense. A high fat diet results is LESS saturated fat in circulation not more … because you are burning it, instead of juggling it as a glucose burner.
Pneumonia … someone once on a ketogenic diet got pneumonia. OK. true story bro.
Acute pancreatitis is caused by hypertrigliceridemia … a ketogenic diet lowers trigs (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/).
Long QT intervals … this was the kid with the selenium deficiency. She would have been saved by just eating a handful of Brazil nuts once a month.
Cardiomyopathy and I’ll add in here arrhythmia and MIs - again kids with developmental diseases causing refractory epilepsy fed the high corn oil diet in a can. To the contrary the evidence shows that a ketogenic diet specifically improves the hydraulic efficiencey of the heart by 28% (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9293956)
Shift to atherogenic lipid profiles … yeah nah. That’s bullshit. The shit is AWAY from an atherogenic profile to lower triglycerides, higher HDL and lower chronic insulin.
Menstrual irregularities and amenorrhea - they are common with all diets as women lose body fat.
Death? Yeah well even Vegans die. Longevity studies show in the nematode C. Elegans a 20% increase in lifespan https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4169858/
As for his anecdotal example. cool story bro. My fasting cholesterol also went up … mainly my HDL which is the good stuff, but lowering triglycerides below 100 reduced the atherogenic pattern B LDL cholesterol.
On a plant based diet their cholesterol shot down from 440 to 150. Umm higher cholesterol is associated with a lower risk of CVD deaths and all cause deaths http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2010/11/cholesterol-heart-disease-there-is-a-relationship-but-its-not-what-you-think/ and the Framingham data shows a direct association between falling cholesterol levels over the first 14 years and mortality over the following 18 years (11% overall and 14% CVD death rate increase per 1 mg/dL per year drop in cholesterol levels). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3560398 So maybe a falling cholesterol is not something to boast about.
The sydney diet heart study and the Minnesota coronary experiment - 2 of the largest RCTs ever done both succeeded in bringing down subjects LDL Cholesterol (-13.3% and 13.8% respectively) yet both saw an increase in negative outcomes - 70% increase in cardiovascular disease and a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dl reduction in serum cholesterol respectively. http://blog.2keto.com/ramsden-2013/ and http://blog.2keto.com/ramsden-2016/
Arteries don’t clog with saturated fat. That’s a stupid metaphor.
Watching videos made by Veg*n propagandists raises my Cortisol.
Panda eyes. Really? Aren’t Pandas Vegan?
The paper that observed that Ketogenic diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic diets (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046) was run by Barry Sears and supported by a grant from the Inflammation Research Foundation. Barry Sears you might know as the author of the ZOne diet, and that foundation he is it’s primary employee. The paper has been well refuted point by point by Nicholas J Krilanovich http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/1/238.long
A vegan diet is not sustainable … you need to supplement with Vitamin B12 and Heme iron and the large number of anti-nutrients cause malabsorption in humans requiring an oversupply of essential nutrition to be able to take in an adequate supply.
BMI is bullshit. My Lean body mass is 80.38 kgs. At my height my ideal weigh range is 59-79 kgs. In other words if I was able to reduce my body fat to 0% I would STILL be 1.38 kgs overweight. That is clearly batshit crazy.
A study among Danes found that an Obese BMI is the same risk of death as those in a normal range, and people in the overweight range are actually healthier (the ideal is a BMI of 27)
Kevin Halls NIH study feed people isocalorically - that is even when they were full they had to keep eating to eat the same number of calories on the ketogenic diet as the balanced diet. That is the flaw in that study - they even observed that people became satiated early. Kevin hall doesn’t realise this … but he just did an over feeding study. Also it wasn’t a crossover, so the second diet (ketogenic) was dissadvantaged.
No Michael it isn’t ACTUAL starvation, insulin inhibits lipolysis - so when you eat a high carb diet you store energy. When you eat a low carb diet, insulin drops and you can release energy from bnody fat. You aren’;t starving. You are living off a Krispy Kreme you ate a decade ago.
Water weight is an accounting charge as you switch fuels. It’s not weight loss. It’s a change in hydration over the first 2 days.
As for athletic performance, Jeff Voleks FASTER study has blown that outr of teh water http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
TdF 3 time winner Chris Froome is a low carb athlete. Romain Bardet the runner up this year was too. The NZ All Blacks - possibly the greatest team of all time - low carb. The Aussie Cricketeers (except for that bannana eating nut Siddle) are mostly low carbers.
The Noto study used a made-up “low-carbohydrate score” invented by Harvard School of Public Health. The “low-carbohydrate score” is not recognized by any researcher in low-carbohydrate diets and appears to have been set up as a straw man. a diet of 37-65% of calories from starches and sugars is not a low carb diet. Besides A ketogenic diet is not a high protein diet.
As for climate change - the argument against a ketogenic diet that meat requires more diesel and water per kilogram is fallacious. You are not eating kilograms, you are eating kiloCalories. 100g of a nice porterhouse steak is 145 kCal, which is roughly equivalent to a kilogram of celery. Which implies you need an order of magnitude more diesel and water to produce the same number of calories.
