Dental Decay Resolved?


#21

Indeed @Eclecticenigma! And the cool thing is that Biological dentists are conservative in their treatment approaches, keen to help the body help itself before interventions etc. Also, they do not use or recommend flouride and mercury. It looks like the Int’l Academy of Biological Dentistry & Medicine’s website page “find a practitioner” has been hacked - as it only takes me to an ad page at the moment. But if you just google your town/region for biological dentistry hopefully you’ll find someone who’s associated with the IABDM.

Here’s a good recent blog article they reposted from Alvin H. Danenberg, DDS, Nutritional Periodontist, and Functional Medicine Practitioner - which connects really well to LCHF/keto. It’s called “Why The Tooth Fairy Gave Up Grains & Sugars” :wink: https://iabdm.org/tooth-fairy-gave-grains-sugars/

Dr. Danenberg is the author of Crazy-Good Living!: Healthy Gums, Healthy Gut, Healthy Life - on the cellular connection between primal eating & health and he recommends a lot of things that are coherent with very low carb approaches.


#22

And there’s lots of Vit. K in keto foods like asparagus, broccoli, brussel sprouts… meat, eggs!


(Consensus is Politics) #23

I use to be in the belief that once enamel was gone, it was gone. I sure the only reason I believed that was because I had been to many dentists from the time I was a kid until after retirement from the Air Force.

So when I saw this thread I came in to say my piece about enamel. Then some one was challenged by @comhcinc to show their science on the subject. That triggered me to go look for information as to why it didn’t grow back. To my dismay I could find none. The closest thing I could find was what all sources stated, “enamel is a mineral. It’s not biological, and it doesn’t heal. Once lost, it’s gone.” Which really rubbed me the wrong way.

My knee jerk reaction to this was simple. Then where the F@%# did it come from? Did the mineral fairy pay a visit to my mother’s womb to install my enamel? If it can grow, why can’t it heal? It’s a simple question really. Sure, I’ll concede it’s a mineral (I have no idea, but I’ll go with it) but if it wasn’t organic, how did it grow? Obviously there is a method for our body to manufacture this mineral. I do recognize that in of itself doesn’t mean it’s able to ‘re-seal’ our teeth, but it does mean to me that those that I have learned from had mad assumptions on flawed logic.

Thanks @comhcinc your challenge changed my point of view on this. I’ll admit, that can be a difficult feat.

Keto Vitae!


#24

@SlowBurnMary I am cautious about tea tree oil especially for kids

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/868644

As for charchol, you can buy it in a big tub and mix it yourself. My dog got into the macadamia nuts recently and one thing I gave her was activated charchol. The vet’s office was really surprised I had it in the house!

Other suggestions, xylitol has natural anti bacterial properties. I know dentists who use a xylitol based toothpaste. Also, if you use it as a sweetner, it may or may not help with the throat issues


#25

Yes, wouldn’t advise tea tree oil for kids (or anybody) unless very dilute - and for only specific superficial antiseptic uses (such as in toothpaste for older kids who rinse & spit it out correctly) - not for gargling - or for applying topically as salve, lip balm, or bug sprays, like was the rage in the 1990s, when I first started studying plant oils medicine. Mysteek’s charcoal toothpaste is really for adult whitening, and not a children’s formula (though I’m sure most kids would have fun using it once or twice as the blackening part is dramatic before rinsing haha).

Though the traditional usage of tea tree/melaleuca goes waaaaaay back to Bundjalung Aborigines of northern New South Wales - it was in a totally different form & delivery as a whole plant, powder/pastes, and traditional poutices etc, not the lab distilled volatile oil we have today and which requires serious protocols.

Robert Tisserand’s book “Essential Oil Safety: A Guide For Healthcare Professionals” is in depth on how these oils are not to be underestimated or used inappropriately. Many essential oils contain volatile compounds that are harmful if not diluted - even the familiar Basil, Pine, and Oregano… I especially love Maggie Tisserand’s classic, anecdotal book “Aromatherapy for Women” first published in the 1980s, and revised a few more times - where she has some really great remedies for women and children from a small group of her favorite plants. She has three children and several grandchildren and is still going strong - focusing most recently on fighting MRSAs w/ plant oils, Go Maggie!!!

Yes indeedy, Xylitol/birch bark powder indeed has a long medicinal history with Native Americans as well as pre-industrial europeans. (The fact that it’s poisonous to dogs is something that I think should be printed big on every package of it.)

The wonders of activated charcoal are amazing, though I’ve not used it much, I know it’s also great for helping the body during detox. I love basic remedies, like that and clay, raw honey, herbal broths, ghee, vinegar, lemon juice, ginger… :slight_smile:


(Bunny) #26

Besides the benefits of low sugar diet i.e. keto, you can also REGENERATE tooth enamel and skip the dentist doing this:

DO NOT DRINK: swish (1/2 cup or less) and rinse (push solution through teeth & gums) for 5 minutes a day:

2 Teaspoons of Trisodium Phosphate (TSP), Fine Crystals, 99.9% Pure Food Grade (your choice?)

6 Teaspoons of Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate)

To 16-24 oz. of filtered water, place in a bottle and shake thoroughly (everytime you use it) and store!

Note: Also tightens up loose teeth! Better at preventing cavities when they start to form!

RESULTS: you will notice cavities disappearing (depending on depth of decay) with doing this and may notice little black specs and other particle when you spit so don’t be alarmed!

Dentists will hate you!


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(Melissa Marie) #27

@slowburnmary I will def look into the Bioligical dentist. TY for all you’ve mentioned.

@Saphire We keep capsules of activated charcoal on hand at home. My husband swears by them when he doesn’t feel well from eating sketchy foods. lol :slight_smile:

@Robert_Johnson Thank you for being open enough to look into both sides and not simply parrot information… lol The world would definitely benefit from more people doing the same.

@atomicspacebunny I always knew bakingsoda was good but never would have thought of TSP. The only uses I was aware of were as a food additive and heavy duty cleaning. I assume the cavity would go away but would not assist in remineralization of the enamel? That LCHF is what actually decreases decay (because there is no sugar for the bacteria to feed on anymore) so that the tooth can heal via saliva redepositing the minerals needed to rebuild the enamel?

:grimacing:

I already use Xiliwhite with Neem & Tea Tree. I actually was pretty happy with it so far but I am not sure it will help to remineralize so I may pass it on to my DH to use. I just ordered charcoal, Eco Dent tooth powder and a vitamin K supplement. :tada::confetti_ball: I already have coconut oil, bentonite powder, baking soda and tea tree so I will make a paste and see how that goes as well as alternate use with the Eco-dent! :smile:

Looking forward to seeing how this works!!!

SN- Years ago I used Vita-Myr a long time ago and really liked it. Has Zinc, Folic Acid, Clove, Myrrh. Made my teeth feel great but couldn’t find it again until recently. Not sure how it would help for remineralization but really liked it for general use. They also offer another option with xylitol. Definitely not for everyone. Especially those who like “regular” toothpaste. This is very different. The clove is definitely something that comes through.


#28

Not completely true, teeth CAN remineralize. Not all damage can be repaired but dentists ignore that just like doctors tell us diabetes can’t be fixed. Done it myself with two teeth.


#29

I’ve been using Uncle Harry’s toothpaste for a couple years and have fixed 2 sticky spots in teeth. I’ve got a nice collection of fillings and gave up on that years ago when I read about tooth remineralization. So far it’s worked. Dentist acknowledges their better, yet still thinks I’m crazy. Many people make thier own stuff but I found the Uncle Harrys at a health store in my town. I’m a fan of the Cinnamon. If you buy some note that it DOES take a while! Think around 6mo or so.

https://www.uncleharrys.com/mouth-care/toothpaste


(Melissa Marie) #30

Were you on LCHF when you had the decay start or SAD? And how were you eating when it resolved? Just curious.

I see they also have remineralization powder, and their tooth paste is alkalizing! I will keep those in my back pocket for sure. :slight_smile:


#31

Hard to say, I may have not been LCHF when those got found, I’ve been off the wagon a couple times in the last decade. But I definitely was for a lot of the repair time as I’ve spend more time on it than off.


(Melissa Marie) #32

I was interested in how repair was affected by diet. Good to know. I’d like to go back to my dentist and say HAHA :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Especially since when I saw him after 6 months he sarcastically said, “what it didn’t heal it’s self” even though I’d never mentioned any of this to him.


#33

Careful with the tea tree, needs to be really dilute - yet for full-spectrum antibacterial oral hygiene usage (not just as a preservative for one’s homemade toothpaste), a concentrated solution is necessary. So, it depends on your usage intentions.

Much milder yet full-spectrum antibacterial effective are Spearmint & Peppermint, which don’t have the potential for neoplasia in concentrated amounts - I add them as around 25% of a bottle with the rest of the 75% almond/coconut/olive oil. Ideally, sourced from small producers, but when necessary I buy the cheap NOW brand online or at Natural Grocers :wink:


(Nathanael Schulte) #34

There’s lots of K1 in veggies, but not K2, and it’s a significant difference. Grass fed butter, Natto, and certain blue cheeses are high, and I think liver as well.


#35

I know this is an old topic, but I was looking for topics on this subject and didnt find anything more recent.

I’ve had a yellow spot on one of my front teeth since I can remember, probably as young as 10 or 11 years old. I started keto about 6 months ago, was looking at my teeth this morning, and just noticed that my tooth is no longer yellow!

I can’t tell you how surprising this is for me as I’ve had this yellow spot for 20 years. I didnt think it would ever go away but I’m pretty sure it’s my new keto diet that did the trick. I cant tell you how but literally nothing has changed in my dental care over the past few years;il I use the same toothbrush, the same toothpaste, and I can even say I haven’t been brushing my teeth as often as I did before. I fall asleep several nights forgetting to brush.


(Consensus is Politics) #36

Probably something as simple as no longer eating what was causing the stain?

I have a similar spot on one of my teeth. Also from childhood. In my case it is a filling that no longer matches the color of my teeth. It’s a little more white than the tooth it’s in. :woozy_face:


(Scott) #37

I had a “sticky spot” where the probe really sunk in one time and remember asking the dentist "what if I really concentrate on brushing that spot can I reverse the decay since I had not been getting that rear molar enough attention. He chuckled and said not a chance, we will fill that next visit. Well I bushed it well and when I came back ne glanced at my chart and went right to that spot to probe. Checked the chart again and probed again several more times. Then changed sides just in case it was a left and right issue. No decay present, I chucked this time. Note: I do have very strong teeth very little decay.


(Amy) #38

My dentist says teeth can absolutely remineralize if it’s not a true cavity yet. He watches sticky, weak spots, and waits until it is beyond the point of no return before filling them. Putting high-strength flouride directly on the tooth will help it draw minerals into the tooth. Teeth don’t remineralize from the inside out, you have to have minerals in your saliva, so the best way is to ingest minerals throughout the day.

Drinnking bone broth is a great source of minerals. I wonder if that is why some ketoers experience resolution of their dental decay.


(Bob M) #39

I had soft teeth on high carb. Cleanings caused me pain. I was brushing and flossing three times a day on low carb, and actually got a lesson in how to floss, because my dentist thought I was lying. Used all kinds of liquids to “kill germs” too. Used fluoride toothpaste. Used xylitol gum to kill germs. Had horrible build up each time I went to dentist.

Now, I take more minerals via a sea salt drop, but take very little to no sugar except infrequently over 5 years. Have not used fluoride toothpaste in several years, and gave up on all the liquids to “kill germs”. Eat mainly meat, some vegetables, some keto meals, some dairy sometimes, but mainly meat. Rarely floss now, maybe 1-2 times per week (instead of 2-3 times per DAY). Have little to no build up when I go to the dentist (different one; I didn’t like people telling me how to floss when I was doing that 2-3 times per day). Hard, strong teeth that no longer hurt during cleaning.


(Laurie) #40

Thanks for the discussion and info.

For about 20 years I haven’t been able to afford or access dental care of any kind. Prior to that, almost the only times I had dental work done were when I lived in countries with very cheap dental (and medical, and optical) services.

Sometimes a tooth feels a bit sensitive, but I just ignore it until it goes away. I had a filling fall out some years ago. I take extra care cleaning that part of my mouth now so gunk won’t build up in the hole, but otherwise I don’t worry about it.

I can’t really say what I’m doing right, or whether I’m in for some nasty surprise. But I don’t have thousands (or even hundreds) of dollars to give away just because my teeth aren’t perfect.