Crisis: I really don't like eating this way

(karen) #122

There are some nuts with fewer carbs - or you could have a smaller quantity and still enjoy them. 100 grams (about 3 1/2 ounces) of pecans, macadamia nuts and brazil nuts have 4-5 carbs. According to the package of pine nuts I have, 3 tablespoons of pine nuts have 3 net carbs.

#123

Btw there is actually a trick against carbs addiction that worked well for me. It is, when I wanted to eat carbs, to eat them without restrictions, but then also make a pact with myself to eat vegetables too. I don’t know why but it would stop the madness from happening. And soon I ended up not even desiring the carbs alone.
And then I began to really dislike the tension in the belly after eating too much and so I happened to spontaneously stop earlier.

#124

Thanks I only knew of the macadamia.

#125

Why not stop thinking of food as something to enjoy, and just think of it as fuel to survive.

#126

That can work for some but for me it is sad. I am not particularly obsessed with food, but I still like sitting at the table with my family and friends and share the pleasure of good food

#127

I’m with you on that one @margot17 I enjoy the whole ritual of planning, preparing & sharing good meals. Part of that enjoyment is ensuring that it is healthy, nourishing food but I could never view it ‘just’ as fuel.

#128

I agree. I did low carb, but not high fat, and found that it was too easy to cheat (I’ll only have a bite of that donut, well maybe 1/2 of it, oh, the heck w/ it I’ll eat the whole thing!! :roll_eyes:
I am an all or nothing kind of person, meaning no significant carbs/sugars, or I eat all carbs/sugars. No half measures work w/ me.

#129

I’m a fully qualified chef, and trust me, ritual is part of the food addiction. Everything from set meal times, to conversations at the table. You can change it if you REALLY want to. Anyone can, but how much do you want it to change?

#130

No I don’t actually want it to change. I also don’t really feel like I am addicted to food anymore, I had found balance also before keto, it’s just that I stalled and stalled up there on the top, I didn’t lose weight because of the insulin so I needed to lower my IR with fasting and keto.
I do understand that for some people the one you say is the way to go. In a way this whole thread comes from a similar situation, because I didn’t enjoy this kind of food it has become for me like getting the fuel tank full, and it isn’t strictly bad, there are worse problems one may have, but I find it a little depressing.
This said, I know people who make a big deal out of food, while I am not really too obsessed. That’s also my difficulty in incorporating new recipes, because I find it difficult to work up enough interest to actually spend time in the kitchen. I’d rather read or goof around with my son

(Jacquelyn Graham) #131

I make a fantastic risotto with riced cauliflower and hemp hearts. I use bone broth and add whatever I like to it. You can make it ahead of time and then freeze portions. Thaw out and add whatever protein/veggies you like later.

#132

Sounds good!

#133

Years ago, Lisa and I did the Protein Power diet, and lost quite a bit of weight (not nearly as much with keto though). It was when we went on “maintenance”, and upd our carb count to 85 grams a day, that we fell off the wagon.

Keto taught us we had a much lower tolerance to carbs. Also, that we didn’t have to eat THREE TIMES A DAY. Every diet we tried insisted we eat three meals.

Ironically, Whole Thirty nearly killed Lisa. God bless her though, she really tried with that one.

(Maxwell) #134

You can eat a Keto diet if you are vegetarian, it takes a little more effort, but it’s definitely possible. A lot of people do it. Take a look at this website – Diet Doctor and put “vegetarian” in the search bar if you can’t make this link open. https://www.dietdoctor.com/?s=vegetarian

Diet Doctor dot com will let you subscribe a month for free, and it’s only $7 a month – worth it. I get a lot of information from that site.

#135

Thanks I will look it up
The effort is the part I am not too eager to put, but at some point I guess I will have to.

#136

There’s your answer then.

#137

I KINDA understand what you mean but it is contradicted by facts, I think.
Food bingeing, the climax of any food addiction, is a solitary affair.
In Italy and France, my two home countries, conviviality is an important part of life, and people tend to be on the lean side.

Also, and this is more on a personal note, I just found out exactly why I got fat, and it’s not an addiction to food, it’s that I’d eaten too few proteins, for years. See my thread on the protein leverage hypothesis.

(Dan) #138

Margot17 I really get your struggle. There is so much focus on meat in the keto diet.

If you dont want to change you should really have a look inside to check your priorities and what you are willing to change and what not. It sounds like part of you does want to have a healthier diet, maybe read a little on self motivation and how to change habits (at least that as worked for me before). Its a struggle but you can do it.

Also here is nice article on what nutrients you should focus on following a more vegetarian keto diet. http://foodadviceonline.com/can-vegetarians-do-the-keto-diet/

#139

Update:
Meanwhile I found out about the Protein Leverage Hypothesis, which gives a good explanation as to why I gained weight.
According to this theory, which I have explained a little more in detail in the dedicated thread, human bodies need to eat consistently proteins in an amount of 15% of dietary energy. If their diet provides, for ex, 10% only of proteins, the body will react by eating more calories than its usual ad libitum range, in order to make up for the dietary deficiency. And that happens like, immediately. In a randomised controlled study from 2012, already after 4 days the group eating only 10%proteins had increased calories intake by around 20%.

This theory explains perfectly why I gained weight, as I have given myself way too few proteins for years, even during pregnancy and breastfeeding. Really few…

So now I don’t know anymore if I am intolerant to carbs and metabolically deranged and I don’t know if I need keto at all. I expect that some IR must be there. I have to take the Kraft test to know better what’s going on, and retake it after say, 3 months, to check whether just staying above the prescribed 15% proteins is enough for my body to get back in balance.

Btw tracking that 15% on Cronometer is proving quite illuminating for me. A lot of things I would think fine, are not! Not a problem for keto people anyway.

I may be back! Thanks to everyone!

(Brian) #140

margot17, I just had a thought. Don’t know if it will be of any interest or not.

I thought you mentioned earlier that you’re not a fan of eating eggs. They are kind of a powerhouse of nutrition but if it is only the flavor or texture that puts you off, maybe you would be interested in exploring baking with coconut flour.

Coconut flour recipes often call for what seems like a huge amount of eggs as it really soaks up a LOT of moisture. But often, the things that you’re making with the coconut flour and the eggs don’t really have the taste or texture of eggs. They will still have the nutrition of the eggs, though, including a nice amount of protein.

Granted, an egg is only like 5g of protein but a few of them worked into your eating in “masked” fashion might be able to boost your protein intake at least a little.

It was just a thought that came to mind. Wishing you good luck and good health!

(Ethan) #141

My wife makes me vegetable soups on a regular basis. She adds all kinds of herbs and spices I don’t know. The base can be either bone broth or mushroom based. She slow cooks it with keno-friendly vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, mushrooms, and celery. Sometimes it has meat added, and sometimes not. Sometimes I add miracle noodles. Sometimes aI add cheese.