CRAVING rice and veggies!

#21

Ok - I’ll go against the tide. Cravings are tough - and I would say just try it and see what happens. At this stage the pre-occupation with it is probably taking on a life of its own. Would suggest what Megan Ramos talked about when getting into her Christmas dinner indulgence. Eat your veggies, protein first - make sure the fat is there. Then take your portion and take your time eating it. You may find that it won’t take much to satisfy. Whatever the outcome - use it as a learning experience - own it - and get right back on keto and ketogenic forum :wink:.

#22

Love this, thank you! I love the keto lifestyle and I know how to fight urges and cravings, but there was something different about this one. I wasn’t craving a cheesecake or candy or french fries, I was craving something somewhat healthy and it was more than just fleeting. And yes, it did start to take on a life of its own so I killed it by giving in.

Overcooked broccoli, green beans and spinach, 1/2 cup of brown rice drenched in butter and olive oil. So far, my stomach is hanging onto it. Keeping my fingers crossed because I really need some nutrition.
Sue

#23

Let us know what happens!

(Dan Dan) #24

All high in insoluble fiber and you have inflammation (colitis) good luck with that :open_mouth:

#25

You made a good decision to listen to your body. That colitis flare must be very difficult to deal with and I don’t envy you! Hope you are feeling better soon and let us know how you feel after your meal.

#26

Appreciate your comments, Dan, but I’ve been dealing with this challenge for lots of years and as strange as it seems, certain fibers actually HELP my situation. I believe it gives my intestines something to “chew on” rather than eating up my insides. It’s never made sense to me why broccoli improves my situation, but it always has.

Then I’ve got my GP who insists I will never get my colitis under control if I don’t give up all animal protein. She insists going vegan is the only solution and that all animal products produce inflammation, including bone broth. I tried being vegan for 6 months … didn’t like it and didn’t help the colitis.

And you know as I do, every body is different, has different needs, reacts differently to foods and medications, and we each have to find what works for us. I’ve spent decades trying to find the perfect solution to my challenges: Graves Disease, reactive hypoglycemia, colitis, anxiety, and now we can throw in osteoporosis. I’m never going to be able to go by what the “medical experts” say because none of them agree. Thank goodness my GI doc listens to what works for me and agrees to let me try whatever I think will help. I asked him for a script for Cholestyramine on Friday and he called it in for me. He knows I’m trying relentlessly to stay off the steroids and the chemo drug he wants me on so he works with me.

It will be hard to know what affect the rice and veggies had on me because when nothing is staying in your system, you don’t know if it’s something you ate an hour ago, a day ago, or a week ago.

Wish me luck… this old bod needs it.
Sue

#27

Thank you, JBird… your support means so much. It actually caused me to burst into tears, so that gives you some idea how defeating this disease is. Try as I might, it still affects my quality of life greatly but I’m not giving up. Thank you!

(Dan Dan) #28

I do wish you well or I wouldn’t waste my time, you are a joy to have on the forum :smile:

#29

All carbs are not created equal. Our bodies do not process rice and soda pop the same. Rice has nutritional value, fizzy sugar water has none.

(Cristian Lopez) #30

of coarse but in the end what does it become???
GLUCOSE

of coarse the digestion process and energy nutrition values differ highly

#31

No.
They have a different glycemic load and glycemic index. They are not equally insulinogenic.

(Holly Easterling) #32

And white rice has a higher glycemic index than Coke. :frowning: Yikes.

(Cristian Lopez) #33

OML thats why im comparing it too straight up table sugar

(Cristian Lopez) #34

maybe not brown but white is the devil

(Andrew) #35

I never ate sweets. This is the only thing I miss. White Basmati Rice. Meat drippings and some fat of course. Best thing ever.

(jilliangordona) #36

Quick little science lesson, I didn’t learn this until recently either recently.

Table sugar is a molecule of glucose and fructose. Fructose actually is the dangerous sugar that causes the most issues. It’s one of the (many) reason Asian cultures can eat white rice (high in carbs) while the SAD diet is high in carbs but we are fat. White rice also has a small amount of fiber that offsets the bad of eating carbohydrates.

Is white rice good for those with insulin problems? Probably not. But if we are trying to help people understand insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, and obesity in order to improve their lives, we need to lay all cards on the table, not just “all carbs are evil!”

(Darlene Horsley) #37

@Susan777
I doubt that a half of a cup or even one cup of rice carbs is anywhere near the amount of carbs per DAY that you ate pre Keto. With that knowledge, eat what you know works for some relief…kcko! I hope you start feeling much better soon.

(Brian) #38

Maybe some zoodles with some low starch veggies and maybe some beef or chicken with a little low carb gravy would satisfy the urges. Come to think of it, that sounds pretty good to me…

(Holly Easterling) #39

That’s not all of the science, though. Yes, fructose is a component of sucrose. It is metabolized by the liver, so overconsumption can lead to fatty liver disease.

However complex carbohydrates certainly pose an issue. They directly raise insulin levels and insulin is responsible for fat storage.

It isn’t the fiber in white rice that blunts the insulin reaction in Asian diets — it’s only 1g per cup of white and not much more for brown — but rather the fiber of the vegetables alongside it and the vinegar/ferments (soy sauce, miso, tempeh, kimchi, etc.) eaten with it.

(jilliangordona) #40

Thank you for the further clarification!