Collagen, do or not do

homeless · 2019-08-11 23:53:20 UTC

Collagen, to do or not to do?

I am wondering about the benefits of Collagen. I am experiencing a bit of hair loss, which is upsetting, and had heard about how Collagen would/could help. Any ideas?

amwassil · 2019-08-12 01:45:07 UTC

RobC · 2019-08-12 02:20:10 UTC

Collagen is “supposed” to help with hair and nails generally (I don’t know how “proven” that is). You can buy pure collagen and add it to your coffee in the morning (i.e. a bunch of work dealing with bone broth is not necessary) and do an n=1.

But, it might not make a difference for a while - if you are losing hair due to Keto (hormonal changes) I think the party line here is that it will grow back after you’ve finished with the big dietary change (so collagen may seem initially to have no effect but, when your hair comes back after the larger dietary effect - it may be stronger “healthier” hair).

David_Stilley · 2019-08-12 02:32:15 UTC

@homeless I have read several posts by women who claimed it helped their nails and hair get thicker. I probably should try it, my nails break easily. It’s also supposed to be good for your skin. You might try adding
L-lysine if you’re taking it, it helps build the matrix collagen forms on in new skin tissue. It’s cheap.

collaroygal · 2019-08-12 02:51:45 UTC

Hair loss is associated with too low calories for an extended period of time. Have you been doing those often? It can happen on any diet, not just lchf/keto WOE. It will grow back once you start upping the calories again. Mine grew in thicker than ever, I had some loss while doing LOTS of multiple day fasts. There have been other threads about hair loss that have lots of links to videos, etc. Do a search on hair loss and several threads should come up for you.

KidKeto · 2019-08-12 03:07:52 UTC

Muscle meat is relatively high in methionine, which can be turned into another amino acid: homocysteine. Unlike methionine, homocysteine is not found in food. It’s formed in your body when dietary methionine is metabolized, mainly in your liver

Homocysteine is highly reactive within your body. High intake of methionine from supplements or animal protein may have adverse effects on the function of blood vessels

High blood levels of homocysteine have been associated with several chronic conditions such as heart disease.

The point I am getting to is this…

Dietary glycine may help reduce the temporary rise in homocysteine levels after a high-protein meal.

And you know what else is high in glycine, THESE COLLAGEN CONTAINING FOODS!!

Collagen supplement of course!
Dry gelatin powder: 19.1 grams per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)
Pork skin snacks: 11.9 grams per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)
Chicken skin: 3.3 grams per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)
Bacon: 2.6 grams per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)
Lean beef: 2.2 grams per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)
Lean lamb: 1.8 grams per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)

The reason why I recommend Beef gelatin, Bone broth, paleo/jello, Pork rinds, and those vital proteins collagen sticks you can find at whole foods is based off some ancestrol evidence tagged with common sense (Not scientific but you’ll get what I am saying)
Back then we didnt just eat muscle meat, We ate Nose to Tail, The whole animal, Collagen rich body parts, Organs, and yes the godly Tbone steak XD

(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12446535)(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16487911)).
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10591670)).

Study on how glycine reduces oxidative stress…

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1479-8425.2007.00262.x

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Suppression of methionine-induced hyperhomocysteinemia by glycine and serine in rats.

S Fukada, Y Shimada, T Morita and K Sugiyama, Bioscience, biotechnology, and biochemistry, Oct 2006

The hyperhomocysteinemia induced by a dietary addition of 1% methionine was significantly suppressed by the concurrent addition of 1% glycine or 1.4% serine to the same degree. The methionine-induced increase in the hepatic concentration of methionine metabolites was significantly suppressed by glycine and serine, but the hepatic cystathionine beta-synthase activity was not enhanced by these amino acids. When the methionine-supplemented diet was changed to the methionine plus glycine or serine diet, the plasma homocysteine concentration rapidly decreased during and after the first day. The hyperhomocysteinemia induced by an intraperitoneal injection with methionine was also suppressed by concurrent injection with glycine or serine, although the effect of serine was significantly greater than that of glycine. These results indicate that glycine and serine were effective for suppressing methionine-induced hyperhomocysteinemia: serine and its precursor glycine are considered to have elicited their effects mainly by stimulating cystathionine synthesis by supplying serine, another substrate for cystathionine synthesis.

PaulL · 2019-08-12 03:31:58 UTC

Home-made bone broth simmered with the bones and gristle in for over 24 hours contains collagen and marrow, both of which are highly beneficial.

I once lived in an institutional setting for several years, where when the cook served meat at all, it was lean muscle meat trimmed of all the fat and gristle. That diet made it necessary for me to take gelatin supplements to prevent my nails from becoming brittle and splitting at the least provocation.

coffeekittie · 2019-08-12 18:15:41 UTC

I’m taking collagen early on to hopefully keep hair loss at Bay. My nails are definitely stronger and nicer looking.