Cognitive Dissonance

(A ham loving ham! - VA6KD) #46

I’ve now had my family doc and a dietician remark at my progress by going keto. Both have said quietly to keep on doing it as they can see no reason to stop, but they can’t say it out loud else they’ll get in trouble from their respective college/associations. The dogma is strong with these folks!

(PAULA GRAINGER) #47

My dietitian had not heard of Ancell Keys. I had to tell her. How can a dietitian become one without knowing the history of hclf? Am I wrong?

(Allie) #48

That does seem strange…

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #49

Doesn’t seem that odd. Keys didn’t start LFHC. There were contemporaries and predecessors. And there was Pritikin and McGovern. If they hadn’t heard of Piritikin, that’d be odd.

(Miss E) #50

It’s only odd if they were taught it and she didn’t know. There would be so much to remember un that profession that those names may not take precedent.

(Allie) #51

You’d expect anyone with an interest in dietary matters, especially a professional interest, to be aware of the origins of the current guidelines.

(Miss E) #52

Not necessarily, people learn and retain information in different ways. They may be more interest in the future than origins.

(PAULA GRAINGER) #53

Oh…well,I hadnt heard of the other two either…altho I am not a qualified dietition. But it is Keys whose advice the West adhered to all of these years wasn’t it?

(PAULA GRAINGER) #54

The concept derived from the name.

(PAULA GRAINGER) #55

Yes. This why I am so perplexed.

(Allan L) #56

I followed the blood group diet and lost 10kg in 10 months. I swapped to Keto and lost 10kg in 10 weeks.

I am also A blood group.

I have found that I need to keep my protein at the lower side and if I increase it appetite goes up and weight loss stops. I tried zero carb and it was a nightmare. I function much better on Keto with a mix of veg, green salads and veg fats. Protein in moderation.

Unsure if this has anything to do with a blood group though.

(Richard Morris) #57

Listening to your body should be the first approach. If you make an intervention, like change your diet, and you feel horrible, then you should suspect something about that intervention is harming you.

One exception is keto flu - I felt awful the first 6 weeks and then suddenly I felt better than I had for 25 years, and I never looked back. I’m glad I pushed through.

But there will be people for whom the ketogenic diet isn’t ideal. People who have a metabolic dysfunction where they just can’t use bulk amounts of fatty acids for energy (like Carnitine-Palmitoyl Transferase deficiency). I think if you had this problem and went ketogenic you would lack energy when everyone else gets theirs after 6 weeks … and you might be hungry ALL THE TIME, when the rest of us are satiated early. That would be a good sign to strop keto, maybe go lowish carbs.

As for dietitians I have often said that Dietitians are the ones to lead us out of this disaster of diabetes, because a metabolic disease demands a dietary treatment … but first they need to work their own way out of the mental cul-de-saq that is the low fat dogma. They will save us, but first they have to navigate out of the maze themselves.

As for blood type diets. Your blood type determines what kind of immune response your body sets up. I don’t know a mechanism to link that to diet. There may be one, but I have looked at a lot of the apparent justification for “blood type” diet and it’s mostly woo. So if a dietitian is recommending that I would ask for her PEN basis (Practice in Evidence-based Nutrition). What evidence does she use to support her recommendation for this (and it must be said, Fad) diet.

3 Year Keto, but gaining back weight fast
(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #58

This is the view pushed by Taubes in Good Calories Bad Calories. That big bad Ancel Keys faked it all up and beat John Yudkin to the punch. It’s not really how it happened, but it’s a nice simplification that, because it has a clear villain in Keys, has been amplified by a lot of LCHF and keto dieters over the last decade.

Earl Butz, Nixon’s Secretary of Agriculture, remade American farm policy which pretty much cooked the books on the nutritional recommendations for grain. Senator George McGovern was treated by Nathan Pritikin using a vLFHC diet, while chairing a Senate panel on nutritional guidelines. If Keys was so forceful in moving the government, it’s because he had a solution that the USDA and the Senate were open to for reasons well beyond Keys’ science or force of will.

(Bunny) #59
(Karen) #60

How cool if true

K

(Alec) #61

I am not surprised by any level of ignorance by dietitians these days. Call themselves a profession, they are avin’ a larf!

(Laurie) #62

Sorry you’re feeling bad about this.

I don’t know enough about the Blood Type Diet to comment. But I did read the book. I’m A+, and apparently I’m supposed to have “a meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains.” I knew immediately that this wasn’t for me.

I regard various diet information as a resource. We can check it out and then take it or leave it (or parts of it), just as we do with any opinion, philosophy, etc.

(Miss E) #63

Do you mind me asking how you knew it wasn’t for you?

(Allie) #64

A+ here also and lived that way for many years, just didn’t suit me.

(Laurie) #65

Do you mind me asking how you knew it wasn’t for you?

@Lovethyself

I know that if I eat fruits, whole grains, and beans (other than perhaps soybeans), my hunger gets out of control and I get fat. So I didn’t see how that could be right for me.